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I understand how they printed the money (asset bubbles, cheap credit, etc.). But how were the Fed supposed to prevent that (if it had been doing its job)? It could have raised interest rates. But is that really the only weapon at its disposal?

Which interest rates can it change at all, by the way? The way I heard the story the central banks can only change the rate they charge from the banks - but if the banks can make money for themselves without the central bank, then what kind of fulcrum does the CB have?

Or does the CB control the ratio of "funnymoney" that banks can print to "real money" that they must have in stock to do so?

And what is "real" money anyway? Does "funnymoney" become "real money" once it's been loaned out and then re-deposited by the guy who took out the loan?

We seem to keep running into this relationship between central banks and the rest of the world. Maybe someone should write a Central Banking For Dummies diary and stick it somewhere we can find it. (Fortunately I'm not knowledgeable enough about the subject to do so myself :-P)

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 10:51:13 AM EST
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According to JK Galbraith in The Great Crash 1929, the bubble of 1925-9 wasn't due to low interest rates, which were in the double digits but still below the average return of the stock market indices which still justified borrowing to gamble on stocks. One of the things that could have been used, in hindsight, would have been a tightening of the margin requirements (ultimately making it impossible to trade shares on credit if the margin requirement reaches 100%) but the SEC was created (and given the power to set margin requirements) only as part of the New Deal after 1932.

But the current crisis has little to do with margin requirements. It is really directly about skirting the banking regulation and the monetary policy limits of the Fed. The banks have done an end-run around banking and credit regulation with securitization and off-balance-sheet "special investment vehicles". I am not sure monetary policy tools like interest rates would have been effective at all. Tightening reserve requirements wouldn't have helped either because essentially what banks have done is outsource the credit risk from money creation by loans, which is what reserve requirements protect banks against, to institutions with no reserve requirements.

I have been called wrong a couple of times on my interpretation of just how regulation was skirted in the subprime case, so I can't say I know how this could have been prevented. However, it does appear that Greenspan was warned about both the lending practices going on in the subprime sector, as well as the financial risks, and chose to do nothing. The blame probably lies squarely with the Fed as bank regulator, not as monetary authority.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 03:57:05 PM EST
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But houses are no stocks. After all people were living in those houses and I doubt that many people are willing to take negative armotisation mortgages. Even if the house price goes on upwards for some more time, you still have the debt and you can't sell your house without some form of replacement. When your house price goes up so much, then probably your replacement would be expensive, too. So you would  always end up in trouble.
So people look on the loan and what they can pay back and decide. With higher interest strong relative movements are much less likely. The principal to income ratio would be better, the houses would be easier to heat. I doubt as well that there would have been no credit crisis at all, but I would have been smaller.

For complex phenomena there is usually more than one way to influence them. Interest rates would have been one in this case. Mortgage lending regulation another, higher reserve requirements yet another, and there are probably even more. Using more than one measure to reach a goal is usually a good idea.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 04:25:31 PM EST
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But houses are no stocks. After all people were living in those houses and I doubt that many people are willing to take negative armotisation mortgages. Even if the house price goes on upwards for some more time, you still have the debt and you can't sell your house without some form of replacement. When your house price goes up so much, then probably your replacement would be expensive, too. So you would  always end up in trouble.
So people look on the loan and what they can pay back and decide.
If people had reasoned that way we wouldn't be talking about a subprime crisis. Moreover, there were "many" people who took negative-equity or interest-only mortgages. And there is now a higher default rate than anyone expected because people with no equity in their houses are just walking away from them and such a behacioural change just wasn't factored into the mortgage valuation models.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 05:04:15 PM EST
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Right, as walking away is often even perfectly legal, it is really a subbrain crisis on the side of the lenders.

But still as the banks had to figure in some risk, higher interest would have led to lower leverage?

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Wed May 14th, 2008 at 06:12:45 PM EST
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And maybe I'm not that convinced.
The problem is very concentrated on adjustable mortgages, and threatening there even to go in the near prime and prime sector. Too low rates as well lead to higher volatility in rates and make therefore adjustables much more dangerous. As an example look to the variation of lead interest set by the Fed and by the ECB over one cycle. The ECB goes about from 2 - 4%, so we are speaking of a doubling. The Fed goes from 1 - 5.25 % or so, that is more than a fivefold.
With negative interest rates, as the US had for some time, it simply makes sense to buy tinned food on credit and sell it later for profit.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 07:55:41 AM EST
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Greenspan invented this scam in 1977 and was subsequently offered the chair of the FRB, having proved himself a thorough despicable, innovative marketer. Besides which Congress repealed Glass-Steagall to create entrants, a supply chain for debt production.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 07:44:43 AM EST
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Who set margin requirements before the SEC existed?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 08:08:18 AM EST
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The exchanges or the brokers themselves? I don't know.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:53:13 PM EST
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