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Nah, there's no connection to draw on between Joe Kennedy and Obama, though, except to say that Teddy endorsed him.

With Bush, the connection is direct and obvious, and I'm inclined to think it will get attention, but I wish Dems would bring it up in their responses anyway.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:18:34 PM EST
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Dems still not getting it though.

Biden's comments are a long way from pwnwage. Pwnwage would be something like 'President Loser.'

Or even - here's a novel idea - going on the rhetorical attack instead of waiting around for the other side to define the talking points.

Paragraphs of disagreement and factual explanation, or frank content-free outrage, are not pwnwage.

I like the Prescott Bush idea. Something along those lines would be more likely to work.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:31:24 PM EST
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The Dem leadership is sitting back, knowing Bush screwed up, under the "When your opponent is hurting himself, shut up" rule.  Still, I think hitting back hard could've dealt a lot more damage to Bush and McCain.  May bring up Prescott after wondering aloud if "the Boy King is drinking again," or something to that effect.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:36:28 PM EST
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I think that would be a little too on the nose. The trick with rhetoric is to appear as if you're making a serious point - which is so serious it's self-evident, only they never quite thought of it before.

Then leave people to work out the implications for themselves.

It's character assassination without being personal. So calling a war-hero a flip-flopper implies their weakness without calling them weak out front.

I've been trying to find some books about practical rhetoric, and they're really hard to hunt down. There are plenty of tips for salesmen about how to screw over their customers more effectively with psychology, but hardly anything at all about winning debates.

Bush is just being Bush. Lying and being rhetorically insulting are the only things he knows how to do, so he may as well keep doing them. It might distract the peasants from thinking about the economy long enough to win McCain a few more points in the general.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:51:15 PM EST
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I can haz teh Tweeteh?



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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 08:48:39 PM EST
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the significance of that exchange is that the tradmed have been allowing these idiots to get away with this ignornant nonsense for years and now they're calling them on it. No wonder the idiots look surprised and shocked, they've never been called out before and they don't know how to respond.

The thing that nags at me is that they'll now pretend they have the right to call the dems on anything and everything in this new mood of "seriousness". Yet, I strongly believe they have no such right. They have to earn that right by smacking down McCain from now till November. No barbecues, no excusing his re-writing history, no bs. If they don't I think the dems have every right to blow them off, "You don't get to ask me that question till you kick the repugs for 5 years. In your own time.".

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:08:39 AM EST
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Agreed.  I do sense a change in Tweety in recent days and weeks, though.  Others at dKos pointed it out, too.  I don't know if it's because he's been taking his meds lately, or if it's because he knows he's going to get thrown off MSNBC if his ratings don't start picking up.  (They're basically paying him $4m/year to deliver, on a good night, a small fraction of Keith Olbermann's audience, and I don't think Keith makes that much.)  For a while, he had been threatening to run as a Dem for Arlen Specter's Senate seat in Pennsylvania, but he seems to have given up on that idea, hopefully having discovered that he probably can't win anything outside Philly.

Or maybe he's doing this to try to get himself an in-road with Dems for the seat.  It's Tweety, so who knows?

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 10:52:50 AM EST
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If that's the case, I hope the Dems tell him to shove off. He's no Limbaugh but he's certainly been carry water for the repugs by allowing them to get away with outrageous stuff for years.

He made Bush flying onto that mission accomplished carrier into some repressed Brokeback Mountain wet dream live on air.

Here's a president who's really nonverbal. He's like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West. I remember him standing at that fence with Colin Powell. Was [that] the best picture in the 2000 campaign

sorry, you don't get to be a Dem after being up Bush's ass like that, even if it was only in your dreams.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 11:35:24 AM EST
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Isn't he just being Mr Common Wisdom?

When Bush was being manly and preznitentienal, he was ready to do his patritiotic flagpin-eating duty.

Now that the weapons pods have fallen off the R war machine, he's joining the queue to bayonet the survivors.

It's bizarre by UK standards because we expect people like Paxo to be equal opportunity muggers. So when someone is slithery and sycophantic one year and robustly sneering the next, it looks odd.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Tweety gets his orders from the Executive Suite. So expectations of consistency may be optimistic.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 12:01:19 PM EST
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Yes, I always think of Paxman when I think of Tweety, because he's basically Tweety with better suits, less saliva and actual journalistic instincts.

They're both kind of obnoxious.  Both like to cut people off, although I think that's more a tactic to throw whomever he's interviewing off balance, in Pax's case, rather than a love of hearing himself talk, as in Tweet's case.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 12:10:10 PM EST
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It's not an issue, because he wouldn't win anyway.  For one thing, Democrats are not big fans of Tweety.  We clap when he behaves properly, but we wouldn't vote for him.  Female Dems, especially, would not be thrilled with him, given some of his past comments.  For another, I think most people in Pennsylvania would find Tweety obnoxious even if he had a good platform.  He'd get creamed.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 12:02:58 PM EST
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On the upside, I don't follow Bush's logic in attacking Obama.  Surely he realizes that 75% of the country hates him, and that attacking Obama naturally leaves that 75% inclined to like Obama more ("Bush bad, thus Obama good") while rallying Democrats.

And it leaves McCain to either be associated with Bush or denounce him.

A plea for relevance maybe?

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 01:42:56 PM EST
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Now this is pwnage.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:13:18 PM EST
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totally owned him.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:56:05 PM EST
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Indeed.  I loves me some Obey.

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by Drew J Jones (blahblahblah@blahblahblah.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 05:33:47 PM EST
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