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I've been thinking about what has been discussed about the evolution of ET. I have not added my two bits to the discourse because I am not certain to what it would add. (My connection to Europe is more ideological than physical.)

My concern is that as ET moves to whatever the next model is decided upon, commentators on the periphery, such as myself, will become more marginalized.

I advocate the next iteration ET keep equality as a core value and promote the democratization of ideas. I see a risk toward elitism at the exclusion of unsolicited newcomers and commentators on the edge like myself.

by Magnifico on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 02:23:36 PM EST
Aaah, don't worry. If anything gets decided, it'll never happen anyway.

This place is no more nor less than the aggregation of those who turn up. If you keep coming, all change will reflect you.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 02:36:45 PM EST
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I think this is a very valid concern, and shared by more than one of us.  

I don't know how to express it without making anyone defensive, which I don't want to do, because I do feel that people have the very best intentions. Nor do I want to stand in the way of progress.  

For my part, as an American, as someone without specialized fields of knowledge applicable to ET's projects and who largely prefers ET for its salon-type atmosphere (Magnifico's "the democratization of ideas") - I can't see a practical place for my contributions in the ideas which have been discussed.  I also respect that ET has no obligations to accomodate any one of us.  

Is the age of the blog dead? (rhetorical)

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 02:42:02 PM EST
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Yes, I think poemless expresses well what I am thinking by being on the periphery.

  1. We're Americans.
  2. We may lack "specialized fields of knowledge applicable to ET's projects".
  3. Where will our contributions go?

Also, I think this is very important to underscore — ET has no obligation to accommodate any one of us.

So, while I think we're not asking to be accommodated, I would still like to be included some how.

by Magnifico on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:02:20 PM EST
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I'm not American, but part 2 applies to me as well, indeed to the overwhelming majority of people who post here. If the concept is enacted as you fear, it won't just be Americans displaced. I and most of the others'll be out on the street as well.

I simply don't believe that's the intention. I remain confident that they will not destroy the village in order to save it and so when all is said and done this place will be around much as we know it now.

Besides which, right now McCain is talking about being out of Iraq by 2013. Talk's easy.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:14:14 PM EST
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No, the age of the blog isn't dead - anything else should be a spinoff, not a transformation of the blog into something else.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:35:57 PM EST
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I don't know why you would have that concern, except that one of the enhancements being discussed is the development of a multilingual capability.  Other than that I would have thought the focus was on broadening ET's membership and appeal.  I what sense do you feel marginalised?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 03:16:29 PM EST
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Multilingual capability is not much of a worry to me. My only caveat with that would be that by posting here, I would now have the ability to annoy or anger more people in many, more languages.

Perhaps my feelings of marginalization come from being on the Pacific coast of the U.S. and not in Europe. How would people fit in with the ET think tank concept, for example? With paid ET staff, would those positions be open to non-Europeans?

by Magnifico on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 03:52:29 PM EST
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There's two American FPs. One lives in the pacific NW, the other in Africa.

I think it's quality of input rather than geography or cultural background that matters.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:06:16 PM EST
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Those are the active ones - then there's one "on leave" who lives in Switzerland, four alumni FPers who are also American and one "honorary" FPer who is British-born but has lived in North America her whole life. Plus at least 1/2 of the registered users are American.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:34:32 PM EST
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I think one of those american alumni blotted her copy book, if last nights discussion is anything to go by.

I wondered where she'd gone after leaving booman.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:42:45 PM EST
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I know we are talking about trying to obtain EU finding for ET 2.0, but that doesn't mean we will become a more eurocentric blog.  For one thing - good EU-US dialogue is essential for both polities - and its is one of ET''s strengths that there is such an active contribution from our US brethren/sisters here.  I also don't think we are at the point of discussing paid staff as such - merely funding a very specific development project for 2009.  We don't even have any ideas about an ongoing revenue stream at the moment, never mind an actual proposal.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:16:48 PM EST
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PS - the Brits don't think they are in Europe either!

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:18:03 PM EST
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If it came down to it, this brit is european before anglo. I suspect that's true of most of us here.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:22:02 PM EST
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Wash your mouth out with soap young man.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:58:24 PM EST
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I really like the young man bit....

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 05:09:06 PM EST
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it just doesn't have the sternness without it.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 05:34:36 PM EST
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I don't think that it's all that likely that ET will change in a way that would exclude you or anyone else.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:22:18 PM EST
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Actually, I'll pretty much guarantee that it won't. Unless Jérôme decides otherwise.

There may be other associated projects that might be more exclusive, but the core blog isn't going anywhere.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:24:10 PM EST
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The last thing I would want to do is to damage what already exists.

I have the hope that we'll be able to,  in addition  find a way to turn its potential into something that is heard in the wider world - and heard as the collective voice(s) it is.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 04:37:02 PM EST
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