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All I have to say to that is that the question of discrimination is not answered by asking you, a member of the majority, whether your had perceived that your teacher or your neighbour had been discriminated against, but asking them.
I can't think at the same time of a disadvantaged person and of the role model
Why not?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 05:52:12 AM EST
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Wow, if that's all you have to say, I may give a short form for others

  • if my fried was ever victim of racism, he was victim of poverty multiple times as much.
  • I'm pretty sure the children talking about my teacher as Pole, knew that he had the German citizenship. Being judged on his accent, was discrimination. And he did not want that.

Racism is not biological build into humans. Xenophobia is to some degree, but it is fear of the unknown. Under which aspects others are others, is cultural, not biological.
Jensen seem to assume it is impossible that white people treat black people as other white people. It is not.

Maybe I should ask others, where I have the impression they are not discriminated, maybe they can name some occasions, where they were discriminated.
But what exactly is the problem? We are what we are mostly either by genome or by environment interacting with the phenotype.
Discrimination doesn't justify affirmative action unless it is that pronounced that it becomes dominant over other e.g. genetic factors. Whatever they will tell me, if I can't see any discrimination on people who I well know, than this discrimination will not be pronounced enough to trump other factors, the least socio-economic background, which in contrast to what Marek said, is not countered with affirmative action (that would be e.g. giving some of my commillitons better marks for the same diploma thesis than I get, because they have working class parents, or give them some extra lessons or whatsoever different treatment). Socio-economic background I can watch every week on meetings where my mostly working class commilitons behave in an attitude untypical for the upper class.

Statistical Italians in Germany have nearly as bad chances in our school system as Turks, and Spaniards nearly as good chances as native Germans. So anti-Italian racism trumps the effects of ghettoisation, which affect the more numerous Italians compared with the less numerous Spaniards?

Racism in Germany is strongly concentrated on regions and in milieus, and as our minorities are ususally not coloured, it is often an accentism.
With all I know up to know, I can guarantee you, that if coloured, but accent free, Ines is going the way of her brother and studies, she will face less mutual exclusion than a white Jaqueline - despite the indignities a Gerald Asamoah has to face in some stadiums, despite burning asylum homes in Solingen or Rostock, and despite Mügeln.


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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 08:03:15 AM EST
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