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By the way, I don't agree with you in that you seem to interpret ET's defence of the middle class as advocacy for middle class material interests at the expense of the working class.

One of the ideas that you can see expressed here on ET, especially by Jerome but also by others is that the existence of a strong middle class appears to have been a prerequisite for prosperity and democracy. Therefore the current environment in which the middle class is being destroyed doesn't bode well for the future.

It is an unfortunate paradox of the left that by lifting people into the middle class it loses their political allegiance because then people shift to wanting to lift themselves to the wealthy class. And it is a tragedy that the social democratic parties have acquired "middle class" cadres and morphed into economic-liberal parties alienating their base. The result is, as in the 30's, that a lot of the working class is turning towards fascist options.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 07:20:58 PM EST
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I have not said in expense the working class (anyhow I would have said of the poor, that includes non-working people as well).
I have said in ignorance of the poor.

And the idea "that the existence of a strong middle class appears to have been a prerequisite for prosperity and democracy" is not a defense against my charge! That is part of what I've written. You can have a strong middle class and ignore the lowest 10-15% at the very same moment. Trickle down doesn't work greatly from the rich to the middle class, and it doesn't work greatly from the middle class to the real loosers of the society.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 07:35:23 PM EST
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That is part of what I've written. You can have a strong middle class and ignore the lowest 10-15% at the very same moment.
And I just explained to you that we vociferously protested when Gordon Brown did exactly that: pander to the middle class and ignore those below it. We have also protested the Hartz-IV laws, and the policies of the French right-wing government regarding the Banlieues, but also we have had criticism of the way the 35h law was introduced by the Socialists in a way that benefitted the "liberal professions" at the expense of the working class, etc, etc... Do I have to go dig up old diaries for you to read?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 07:42:15 PM EST
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No, you have not to dig up the old diaries. I do believe you, as I have know written at least 3 times in this comment section.
It seems I was simply coming at the wrong time to ET to see that. The question is, why do you insult me first, before you let me know this? You have misquoted me to let me look more agressive than what I have really written, you accuse me of bad faith, of trying to divide this community. Why?
Jerome seems to have understood immediately, and - as I said before, in an comment responding to one of yours, to which you again answered -  this was enough for me. I have uprated him. End of story. It seems nobody else has understood my diary in the same way as you understood it.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers
by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 07:58:42 PM EST
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I guess Jerome has better people skills than I do.

Sorry if I offended you.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 08:15:26 PM EST
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