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But then please in the right order. First getting rid of military service and second allow for multiple citizenships.

And it seems I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that  most Turks born in Germany have rally a split loyality. At least not one, where Germany could get a similar priority for them as Turkey.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:32:55 PM EST
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Can you clarify your second paragraph? It seems like you might be  saying that  Germans of Turkish descent have a primary allegience to Turkey? Is that what you mean?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:38:37 PM EST
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I'm sure there are sociological surveys of the German-born Turks to answer that question without having to resort to what anyone thinks.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 05:38:38 PM EST
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If you find them, fine.
I have searched and found no representative surveys with the words 'Umfrage  Loyalität Deutschtürken'.
But I found this"
"[...] Also Bilkay Öney, the speaker for migrational issues of the greens in the Berlin (state) parliamen, found Erdogans speach in the Köln-Arena pretty bad. He can't tell one day in the German media [mostly read by Germans, Martin] ask the Turks for more integration, and the next day [in front of only Turks or people with Turkish ancients, Martin] warn the Turks of too much alignment. That makes him uncredible. She estimates, that the speach in front of 16000 Turks [note, Turks is the word in the text, despite I'm sure there were quite some people without Turkish citizenship] mostly was for the partisans of his conservative AK party. This party has many partisans among Deutsch-Türken [don't know how to translate best, Martin]. Öney estimates, that more than one half are positioned nationalistic-conservative. They want to conserve their values, because they are afraid to lose their identity far from home."

There is a Turk from Turkey, who just came for phd, in the institute I work. I have never met a Turk less nationalistic than him. I have the impression, that living in Germany may make Turks more nationalistic instead of less.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:20:36 PM EST
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