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This has been somewhat of a touchy subject on occasion hereabouts, it's been my experience; I'd use the term bourgeois socialism myself, but salon socialism certainly can work, though I know for a fact this is not, in reality, a fitting moniker for most regulars here.

For my part, I think a gini of 25 is pretty good, but we can do better, and there are many ways of doing this, redistribution from wealth to the poor being the most efficient, via taxation, full employment policies an robust social protections.

In terms of think tanks, and policy prescription I think we've addressed, on numerous occasions, what the general thrust of views is and policy preferences as well. Part of the trick is that we are also simultaneously trying to build a Europe which has increasingly disparate parts, and so, in terms of economic narratives, we often times need to emphasize themes. For instance, the anglo-disease theme, which is an expression against anglo-american neo-liberalism at root, and for either social democracy (roughly two-thirds of participants on these thread) or proper socialism.

In terms of policy, what are my impressions of where people tend to fall here?

Education : we are, by and large, in favor of heavy investment in free, equitable and meritocratic education, from cradle to grave (eg maternelle through doctorat and/or real apprenticeship and technical education to continuing training throughout one's career).

Trade unionism: again, by and large, hugely supportive of workers rights to band together for better pay and work rights, and supportive of policies which make it easier for workers to engage in participatory workplace democracy and have a real say in how teir workplace is organized and operations. And for social stability policies which make it harder to firms to hire and fire at whim, ignoring the greater good of stable employment practises to pursue shareholder profits.

Tax policy I think everyone here is generally for a fundamentally and comprehensively progressive tax regime, and many articles over the months and years have been to address the regressivity of this that or the other tax proposal in the many countries of the union which are tending to be more than suitably enthralled with the anglo-american model.

Monetary policy Here, you have somewhat of a point, though I think most people arguing about what is accomodative or proper tend to end up in the same place: expansionary policies limited to those parts of the economy which produce sustainable jobs growth, tight policies for those parts of the market which are consumption-based or feed asset speculation. We argue about how best to get there, but I think most everyone would agree that the best policy is an expansionary one, for as you point out, there are wholly excluded portions of our respective member states, and this is wrong.

I could go on, and I will avoid some of the more "social" of policies, or the "civil liberties" ones because anyway I tend to be in the minority on those....this being said, your commentary about inclusion and exclusion, and of championing middle class versus working class, is really quite good and something we should reflect on. And, we've discussed this before. For my part, the absolute goal of proper policy is to work towards bringing the more vulnerable, the poor, among us, materially in line, in station, to the middle classes, even if this means the middle classes suffer a little. (Of course, we can make the wealthy trade a lot more...). When everyone is, roughly speaking, equal, people stop being "other," because that which differentiates one from the other becomes minimal and, that which was "other" is no longer scary and, is no longer scared too.

You can not ensure of course absolute equality, but certainly it is inexcusable that one person makes 100 times more than another, or that many (including much of the middle class) live in luxury while some have neither roofs over their heads nor enough money to proerly feed and clothe their children, even in many countries in the EU.

Problem is, at least for some here, that you cannot move comprehensively and forecfully towards a more just and equal society, thus improving the lot of the more vulnerable among us, without some measure of authority, order, and coercion and this rankles some hereabouts. I think Goethe said, and I'm sure I'm paraphrasing badly, "better injustice than disorder," which sounds, at first glance, really not very progressive or left, unless you stop to consider how much injustice is done when there is no order.  

I for one though am optimistic, and have this feeling that the great wave of materialism, and, well, anglo-american hedonism, is passing.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 09:54:26 PM EST
Adding, your comments on the completely unbalanced  American political spectrum are spot on, and with a few notable exceptions, I don't think anyone here would disagree.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant
by redstar on Thu May 15th, 2008 at 09:57:27 PM EST
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Thanks.

By the way, I think the anglo-disease narrative is really one of the masterpieces of this blog.
Just not telling much about 85% of the EU... Horst Koehler, the German president recently called the capital markets a 'monster'.

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 08:57:26 AM EST
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I should finish a diary on that...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 12:04:37 PM EST
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... neoliberal ex-PM of Australia, John Howard, to refer to those with the living standard to be able to focus on problems beyond day to day survival and the education to be able to see through the BS smoke and mirrors presented by the neo-liberal government with their paternalistic conservative electoral allies, was "chardonnay socialist" ... he also dismissed them with the phrase "the chattering classes".

Whatever the specific phrase, the point of the framing is straightforward ... divide those with the time, education, and freedom from immediate want that allows them to organize around specific causes from those who are experiencing immiseration as a side effect of policies intended to enrich a few, and who do not tend to directly possess all three of those social resources.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 10:21:25 AM EST
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redstar:
even if this means the middle classes suffer a little.

portugese peasant, here we come....

once the cravings pass a bit, and we settle into it, we'll wonder why we ever wanted to live another way, and  why it took us so long to accept...

if the net stays working, we can be digitised peasants!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:42:18 PM EST
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absolutely.

well, maybe not everyone can be a portuguese peasant...we need shoemakers and seamstresses and woodworkers and mechanics and sailors and teachers, and even a few managers or cadres, modestly paid, perhaps no more than ten times the base wage at the top of the scale, all to help move everyone towards a good common goal.

and this, for all of us, and not just for those in western europe. for this "simple life" i think wee're both getting at is not a sacrifice for the vast majority of our fellow man in other parts of the world.

there may be a bit of a craving for many, but there'll be something else too - peace.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 09:51:43 AM EST
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Speaking of portuguese shoemakers:

Blackspot - Blackspot Shoes

The Blackspot Shoes factory is located in a rural region of Portugal called Felgueiras, an area steeped in 400 years of shoe-making tradition. The factory has been owned and operated by the same family for three generations. The owners have a reputation for being excellent employers.

...

The minimum wage in Portugal is 365 Euros per month. Workers in this factory earn between 420 and 700 Euros per month, depending on their job and seniority. In addition to basic salary, workers receive 25 paid days off and two extra months of pay per year, which works out to 35% above minimum wage.

...

We met with employees who belong to the union; we met with workers who liaison between employees and the union (shop stewards); we met with union staff and staff of the government-run umbrella organization that administers the union. All meetings were in private. All the people we interviewed were unequivocal in their praise of the factory. A high degree of transparency was evident.



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by A swedish kind of death on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:43:16 AM EST
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That factory is obviously in dire need of reform :-P

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 12:49:11 PM EST
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yup...right on all counts.

i saw an amazing documentary on arte about the italian immigrants to brazil after WW1. they arrived with almost nothing and recreated a most italian set up within 3 generations.

they chose land that reminded them of italy and made all their tools by hand, with an ingenious self-sufficiency that was so admirable.

the photography of their vineyards and wine cellars, their churches and their tools, were a revelation.

apparently there are more well preserved human powered tools there of european postmedieval design than can be found even in museums in italy.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 06:48:44 PM EST
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redstar:
without some measure of authority, order, and coercion and this rankles some hereabouts.

problem is, all the authority and coercion are on the side of disorder right now, which will be quicker, educating them to surrender without a fight, or learning how to use authority wisely, with moderation, fairness and restraint?

after we manage to get it, natch!

there are many of your comments that don't jive well with me, redstar, but this one sums up what i believe ET's aspirations are quite brilliantly, and reveals a lot about you that i can resonate with.

thanks

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 06:51:34 PM EST
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