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As I understand it, voluntary hunger is completely different to the real thing, in the same way that my privations in my younger life - when my parents always had the space and the money to put a roof over my head and feed me if I really became unstuck - are completely different to real desperation and real deprivation. In the end of the day, I was choosing to cut corners on the grocery shopping: I could always have got on the bus and gone to their house for dinner.  Not the same as really being poor or hungry. Choosing to skip a couple of meals is a luxury, not an act of solidarity with anyone.

In any case, homelessness - in the sense of living on the street -  and poverty are not the same thing. I'm not even sure they're all that correlated, at least in moderately rich European countries.

Why? Hard hearts? I will never know.

That's my cousin in that picture. I played with her as a child. She was sad even then.

Useful talking follows experience, the more the better. Talking that precedes input is known as bullshit.

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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 03:41:04 PM EST
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Get some sleep, colman.
Ivonne has a box for Christopher.
If you want it, drop a note with your address.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 11:07:40 AM EST
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Do I have to tell you two to stop it again?

That's a rather rude way to offer a gift, if I may say so.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 11:50:22 AM EST
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In any case, homelessness - in the sense of living on the street -  and poverty are not the same thing. I'm not even sure they're all that correlated, at least in moderately rich European countries.

Hm, that sounds like blaming the homeless for their situation along the "they're just too lazy to work and like to get drunk" line, but I can't believe that's what you thought of. So, what were you thinking of?

Myself, I think there is very much a correlation even (or especially? In poor countries there are shantytowns) in richer countries, at least the bums I remember were typically older, not the young runaways.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 07:29:08 AM EST
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Hm, that sounds like blaming the homeless for their situation along the "they're just too lazy to work and like to get drunk" line, but I can't believe that's what you thought of. So, what were you thinking of?

There is some of that at some level, though I'd put it rather as (in some cases) their not being willing or able to do what it takes to live  a normal life. You could call them all mentally ill, but I suspect some of the homeless would take issue with that.

I'm thinking more of the facilities and resources made available for dealing with the issues underlying the homelessness, which range from mental illnesses to addictions and history of abuse and other good things. Coming from an impoverished background probably doesn't help - it seldom does - but it's not causative.

Put it this way: as far as I understand it, nobody needs to sleep on the street in Ireland - there is sufficient help available to get a roof over your head and a little income if you're capable of getting it and want it. Hell,  there's no need for my cousin to be homeless - she has a father and extended family  who's taken her home several times only for her to disappear again when her physical health improves. She's an adult, she isn't technically ill with anything sufficient to commit her against her will, so what are you going to do? If money could solve the problem it would be found. It can't. She needed intervention twenty years ago, when it wasn't available and her immediate family conditions precluded it anyway.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 11:16:52 AM EST
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