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At what point do they stop being new arrivals?  The primary non-white group in Germany arrived between the late fifties and late seventies.  Sure, German right wing politicians like to call people born and raised in Germany 'immigrants' but let's get real here, it isn't about immigration levels, which aren't that high in Germany, but about race. A country where large chunks are no go areas for non-whites (I mean as bad as parts of the US are, you do not have companies forced to offer their non-white employees permanent security escorts for their commutes).  
by MarekNYC on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:18:30 PM EST
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I'd have said third or fourth generation, normally.

I'm not excusing or minimising European racism: I'm saying that viewing it through the same lens as US anti-black racism is inappropriate and unhelpful.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:22:19 PM EST
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When they came, they were no immigrants at all. The original rules how long somebody was allowed to stay were very strict and the people who came obviously accepted the rules, fully knowing them. Nobody was forced to come.

In the meantime many people are here and can stay here and can get the citizenship and often don't want it, when they have to give up their old citizenship for that.

Currently about 20% of the population has "migration background". But in most cities more than 40% of poeple under 40 have. The oldest living generation has nearly none. So what's your problem?

Der Amerikaner ist die Orchidee unter den Menschen
Volker Pispers

by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:28:26 PM EST
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I guess he is talking about national befreite Tonen, for example.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 09:59:27 AM EST
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Funny typo. Should be national befreite Zonen.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 10:07:57 AM EST
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There are (small) no-go areas in Ireland. Consisting entirely of Irish whites: gods forbid that any non-whites would go near them.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 06:44:15 PM EST
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