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But that doesn't mean you cannot sit with the Iranians around a table!

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 04:44:39 PM EST
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Of course not.

But it does mean there are people in positions of power and various interest groups within and outside the US government who see no point to sitting down with the Iranians.  

So far, they've won.

by ATinNM on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 05:29:31 PM EST
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I'm all for talking, but diplomacy with the Iranians is exceedingly complex and requires regular exercising, with experts on the ground who can follow every nuance of the power shifts between all the different elements from bazaari to the sprirtual police. It is also a long term game for which the quarterly-oriented posturing mind is ill-equipped to understand.

Talking also involves listening; and that is possibly the hardest part for such people. Finally I'd ask any w*stern poltician,"OK, what are the 5 pillars of Islam?"

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 07:17:22 PM EST
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I'm all for talking, but diplomacy with the Iranians is exceedingly complex and requires regular exercising, with experts on the ground who can follow every nuance of the power shifts between all the different elements from bazaari to the sprirtual police.

But wouldn't you agree that's true of diplomacy in general?  It's undoubtedly easier to understand, from the perspective of an American politician or diplomat, the dynamics of Britain or Canada or Australia, but I think it goes to more of a willful ignorance -- the Culture of Emboldened Stupidity, to use Matt Taibbi's brilliant description -- than to specifics about Iran.

Ironically, I'll bet you $5 (€0.20) the only big-name American politician who can name the five pillars of Islam is Rudy Mussolini.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri May 16th, 2008 at 07:58:56 PM EST
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Yes it is true in general. Diplomacy is conducted mostly by unseen experts in the culture, language, strategies and tactics of the other side. Political leaders have little to do with this process except for ensuring the long-term support and availability of the experts.

Only when this process leads to mutual agreement can progress be announced publicly. The photo-op is a spin-off of diplomacy, not an instrument.
 

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat May 17th, 2008 at 03:38:29 AM EST
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