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The centralization of good and useable "stuff" into only a few verifiable areas also has the military advantage of being "secured" easily.
by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:07:07 PM EST
but only for certain values of secured, it also means you've concentrated your targets. this is an "All your eggs in one basket" strategy and is only really effective against your own population rather than any external threats.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 08:21:13 PM EST
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by Lasthorseman (Lasthorseman@comcast.net) on Sun May 18th, 2008 at 10:10:34 PM EST
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ceebs, your comments are like gusts of fresh welsh air...

chris talks about 'napsterisation', to describe this 'small is beautiful', spread-the-bennies-and-the-risk, approach.

computers showed the way...it's a 180° turn from the 'centralise-is-good' mentality that has accompanied our evolution, probably since we first 'centralised' our favourite tools and trinkets in our fave caves.

and on to centralising skills into guilds, shops into markets, markets into towns, towns into cities, intelligence into universities, art into academies and museums, und so weiter...

at a certain point these convergent forces hit a membrane and have to disperse to survive the calculus of waste/benefit.

it's always tragic, cf the library of alexander, possibly the biggest cognitive setback ever in history, we'll never know.

you collected your goodies in yer cave, then some gang came and ripped you off....re-dispersion.

you set up yer farm and holdings, sorted, mature orchards, and along comes some religious fanatic group and decides their 'sacred'  cause is served by reducing your (and your forefathers') carefully crafted life's work into rubble...

sleeping peacefully in your teepee, along comes the next tribe looking for scalps, necessary for their positional status.

now it's the info-age...and it seems like much as certain interests want to 'big box' that too, the info seems to have a mind of its own, like water always finding the cracks.

if the internet weren't so vital to business, it's be gone by now, too damn subversive of authoritarianism by its very nature.

so instead of capitalism supplying the rope to hang itself, it's more a case of 'hoist by its own petard'. marx wasn't far off in his metaphor.

anyway, i don't think capitalism as a machine is all bad, per se.

it has to be run by serious principles, and rule of law for all equally.

 i do think its baser baser sides are being hauled up for scrutiny, for millions of cruelly wasted lives too late, and out of this scrutiny will evolve the enlightened systems of capitalism like that embodied by paul hawken, and so tirelessly promoted by chris cook here at ET.

it's not the car, it's the fuel, and the inefficiency...

ramblin' on...

The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it. Chinese Proverb.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 07:35:32 AM EST
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I have a diary urge.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 08:03:36 AM EST
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Yield to it ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:00:04 AM EST
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Mygnomes and elves are busy hammering it together as we speak

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:53:45 AM EST
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I can send you some helpers over from Santa's Lapland - they're not too busy at the moment. They'll work for porridge.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 12:43:41 PM EST
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knowing you they'll be female helpers, and that will knock my workers productivity right down.

Life should consist in at least fifty percent pure waste of time, and the rest doing what you please.
by ceebs (bunchofwankers (at) gmail (dot) com) on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:05:33 PM EST
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You must have poor elf-confidence ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 01:31:50 PM EST
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Can you get on with it please - I tapping my foot here, waiting for your first diary since Uncle Fred froze in the outside privy?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 04:36:08 PM EST
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I am sure Lifecycle Cost calculations have been done to compare centralized v decentralized food and goods distribution. I just haven't seen them - if anyone has a pointer?

In Finland, the family outing to the big boxes has become part of the culture, especially where the big boxes offer other community possibilities such as sports, live entertainment, theatre, cinema etc. The question is whether the boxes are sustainable from a transport POV. They are built greenfield because parking space is cheap, but basically they are displaced main streets.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:13:57 AM EST
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is only really effective against your own population rather than any external threats  

Well, yes.  

You say that like someone made a mistake, or doesn't understand their business.  But really, there are no external threats.  

To be less arch about it:  The destruction of public space is the deeper point.  No democracy can remain in the hands of the people if public space is eliminated.  This is understood, and plans are made accordingly.  

by Gaianne on Mon May 19th, 2008 at 11:04:24 PM EST
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