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As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 12:39:23 AM EST
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You will reverse that assessment once they begin torture.
by afox (afox at rockgardener dott com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 07:50:47 AM EST
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You say that like torture hasn't yet begun. I cite one Joseph Padilla...

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 09:14:59 AM EST
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yeah but, do you you ever wonder what it'd be like locking up the most aware, connected, informed, concerned 8 million americans with each other for company?

leaving a nation deprived of their brainpower, leaving it to the nutjobs, the nutjobs and the other kinds of nutjobs?

completely boggles the mind...

8 million is a lot of people

obama's gonna sort it.

if america gives obama the presidency, i bet it's the first time any nation's leader has shared two out of three names with two leaders of nations/forces presently at war with the voters' nation!

truth, odder than friction...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 11:05:37 AM EST
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There is no imprinting so deep as having a machine gun pointed in your face while you're in bed, where you tend to wake up at the highest level of fight or flight possible.  Being taken away from your life by the stupidest of people is not necessarily the best way to get ahead in the world.  It pissed me off no end.

Apparently, i survived.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 01:46:38 PM EST
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If the events to which you refer are matters of public record, please give me a link.  If you are at liberty to discuss I am all ears.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 03:17:11 PM EST
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My self image is not so grandiose as to imagine my being worth torturing.  Which of course does not mean they would't torture anyway.  Back in the mid 60s, when LBJ was escalating the war in Vietnam, I suggested organizing a national day of prayer to pray for him to have a heart attack.  I also composed a fantasy in which a special pipe was constructed for the organ at the National Cathedral in Washington D.C. At 14 cycles per second and sufficient sound pressure level resonances are created in the body cavity that typically cause loss of sphincter control. I thought it would be perfect for use during a contemporary "Te Deum" for victory in Vietnam, especially  if attended by the President, the Cabinet and Congress  You could say I was alienated. However, unless I was ratted out by one of my grad school drinking buddies...Well, one did go on to become Director of the Bureau of Trade Statistics, where he served from the Nixon to the Clinton administration, now sadly and prematurely deceased.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 12:40:33 PM EST
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