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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 21st, 2008 at 11:56:58 PM EST
Israel holds peace talks with Syria - International Herald Tribune

JERUSALEM: Israel and Syria announced on Wednesday that they were engaged in negotiations for a comprehensive peace treaty through Turkish mediators, a sign that Israel is hoping to halt the growing influence of Iran, Syria's most important ally, which sponsors the anti-Israel groups Hezbollah and Hamas.

Senior Israeli officials from Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's office and their Syrian counterparts were in Istanbul on Wednesday, where both groups had been staying separately, at undisclosed locations, since Monday. The mediators shuttled between the two. Syria and Israel have not negotiated this seriously in eight years.

Syria's motives are clear: it wants to regain the Golan Heights captured by Israel in the 1967 war and to re-establish a relationship with the United States, something it figures it can do through talks with Jerusalem.

For Israel -- which has watched the Palestinian group Hamas take over Gaza and gain ground in the West Bank, and the Lebanese group Hezbollah display raw power in Beirut -- an effort to pull Syria away from Iran could produce enormous benefits. An announcement on Wednesday of a peace deal that gives Hezbollah the upper hand in Lebanon's government probably added to Israel's sense of urgency.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:02:26 AM EST
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Has McCain or Bush accused Israel of being appeasers yet?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:05:48 AM EST
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is one of the Good Guys(TM) so thay can do whatever they damn please, it will always be good for peace and democracy and freedom and prosperity.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:17:58 AM EST
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It's slightly more complicated than that. It's the Likud that is one of the Good Guys(TM), and the Israeli government is as long as it fights for peace, democracy, the rapture and all the rest. If they don't go along (as Rabin found out) things get a bit more complicated.

As long as they are just talking, Olmert will remain one of the Good Guys. But in the very unlikely event that they actually reach an agreement, there will be a major division in Israel, and U.S. politicians may have to take sides. This should be easy for Obama, but maybe not as easy for McCain.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 09:04:37 AM EST
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I wonder if the Israelis seriously believe that having bi-lateral agreements with previously hostile neighbours is gonna make the slightest bit of difference to the elephant in the sitting room, their relationship with the Palestinians.

If they solved the latter, all other issues would self-resolve. Without fixing it, all other treaties are so many cubic metres of hot air.

As this article hinted at;-

Independent - Adrian Hamilton - Any change from Bush's fundamentalism will do

Anybody taken in by this nonsense should read the two major speeches by President Bush on his Middle East "peace tour" over the past week. The first was his address to the Israeli Knesset on the occasion of the state's 60th anniversary last Thursday. The second was to the World Economic Forum meeting in Sharm el Sheikh in Egypt last Sunday.............

An American president, with probably more influence than any American leader since Israel's inception because of his total commitment to their cause, arrives in the country supposedly to pursue a peace plan and, in his most important public address, does not mention the peace and does not ask the Israeli government to make a single concession to further it. Not a reference or request or hint in the entire address, just a paean of praise for a country which has "forged a free and modern society based on the love of liberty, a passion for justice, and a respect for human dignity".

Compare that to to Bush's speech to the Arabs in Egypt three days later. It is a long list of demands on them. They must, he lectured, institute "economic reform" if they are to take their "place in the centre of progress". "Economic reform must be accompanied by political reform". "Property rights" must be "protected and risk-taking encouraged". Primary schools must teach "basic skills, such as reading and math, rather than indoctrinating children with ideologies of hatred". And so the liturgy of requirements on these backward people goes on.  



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:49:19 AM EST
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Obama backs off from pledge to talk with Iran | World news | The Guardian

Barack Obama has begun to edge away from his offer to pursue talks with Iran's Mahmoud Ahmadinejad after being hammered by Republicans as an "appeaser".

Now on the cusp of securing the Democratic nomination, Obama yesterday continued to attack John McCain, his likely Republican opponent in November, over his hawkish foreign policy.

"He has spent his last week describing his foreign policy as who he won't talk to," Obama told a rally in Florida yesterday.

After Tuesday's primaries, in which Obama lost badly to Hillary Clinton in Kentucky but won well in Oregon, he is now just 65 delegates away from the Democratic nomination.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:08:09 AM EST
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Fran:
being hammered by Republicans as an "appeaser".

And how is giving in to Republican pressure not being an "appeaser"?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:12:12 AM EST
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You only appease bad guys, not Good Guys.

Following Good Guys is just leadership in action -  also called 'the end of history.'

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:19:23 AM EST
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The discourse on foreign policy in the US is so fundamentally dishonest that I'm beginning to woder if it's worth even commenting upon.

Stupidity compounded by ignorance married to arrogance and a pitiful sense of grandiose entitlement.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:52:06 AM EST
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I think the Guardian is running way too far with Bill Richardson's quote, because this isn't at all what happened.  Quite the contrary, Obama went out and said, "Why are they so afraid of talking to people?" and basically called them idiots.

Now the story's out that McCain doesn't even know the difference between the president and the supreme leader in terms of responsibilities in Iran's government structure.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:36:46 AM EST
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Republican heads would explode if they understood the concept of "the President is not the Supreme Leader".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:41:07 AM EST
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It would've been hilarious if the ignorance weren't so scary.  Joke Line sat there questioning McCain, continuously pointing out that foreign policy and the nuclear program did not fall under Ahmedinejad's authority.  McCain just sat there stuttering like the senile old man he is.  It was pathetic.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:46:39 AM EST
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BBC NEWS | Middle East | Lebanon rivals agree crisis deal

Rival Lebanese leaders have agreed on steps to end the political deadlock that has led to the country's worst violence since the 1975-90 civil war.

The Western-backed government and the pro-Syrian opposition arrived at the deal after days of talks in Qatar.

Under the deal, the opposition - led by the Hezbollah political and militant group - will have the power of veto in a new cabinet of national unity.

It also paves the way for parliament to elect a new president.

The post has been empty since November.

Correspondents say the agreement is a major triumph for Hezbollah, whose key demands have been met.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:09:35 AM EST
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agreement is a major triumph for Hezbollah

Another success for the Bush doctrine. Is Bush secretly a member of the Saudi rogyal family working to destroy the US economy by wrecking every US initiative in the Middle East.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:55:05 AM EST
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secretly?
by paving on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 02:19:28 PM EST
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Well Prince Bandar is reportedly known as Bandar Bush by George

I thought he was meant to be against Gay Marriage.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 02:53:10 PM EST
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Olmert proposes naval blockade on Iran - International Herald Tribune

JERUSALEM: Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert proposed in talks with a U.S. congressional leader that a naval blockade be imposed on Iran to try to curb its nuclear program, an Israeli newspaper reported on Wednesday.

The Haaretz daily quoted Olmert as telling Nancy Pelosi that "the present economic sanctions have exhausted themselves" and the international community needed to take more drastic steps to stop Iran's efforts to obtain nuclear weapons.

A spokesman for Olmert declined to comment on the Israeli leader's talks on Monday with Pelosi, the speaker of the U.S. House of Representatives, in Jerusalem.

"It was a confidential discussion," said the spokesman, Mark Regev.

Pelosi's office had no immediate comment. On her return to Washington, Pelosi said she and the congressional delegation she led to Israel had discussed with its leaders "the threat posed by Iran."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:15:51 AM EST
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Hmm, Israel is now telling the US where it wants the navy allocated ? The tail wags the dog ever harder.

Methinks the Chinese might be concerned about the US interfering with its trade relationships


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:57:36 AM EST
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The Associated Press via google: Kenya mob kills 11 accused of being witches

A group of up to 300 young men killed 11 people who were accused of being witches and wizards in western Kenya, in some cases slitting their throats or clubbing them to death before burning their bodies, officials said.

The gang moved home to home through two villages, using a list of suspected witches and wizards and the kind of spells they were believed to have cast on the community, said Ben Makori, a local councilor.

"The villagers are complaining that the (suspected) wizards and witches are making the bright children in the community dumb ... These (suspected) witches are not doing good things to us," Makori told The Associated Press.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:49:33 AM EST
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The villagers are complaining that the (suspected) wizards and witches are making the bright children in the community dumb

Well, they certainly seem to have succeeded with 300 of them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:59:53 AM EST
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