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"He-Who-Walks-Clumsily" seems a good fit, having just about killed myself a minute ago.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 02:51:27 PM EST
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If we're going to play this game, i humbly suggest that riffs on "Dances With Wolves" be penalized.

But we have no sympathy for you skinny guys when you fall, as there's no real impact, other than gravity.  ;-)

If i were to come up with a native name for you, i couldn't, because there's no word for "cynical."  (Said with a smiley of respect for your political astuteness.)

I would call you "Dances Against Penn." PENALTY!  GELBE KARTE!

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:00:20 PM EST
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what are the Female honorifics? with  males you get Chief, do you use the same with female names?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:04:14 PM EST
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Ummm...you mean "She who must be Obeyed" ?

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:16:10 PM EST
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First, Chief is not an honorific, rather a title.

In many native societies, Clan Mother carries at least the same weight.

For example, in Rotinnosonni (Mohawk) society, the women held the power of impeachment.  The Chiefs were approved by the Clan Mothers, and it was only they who had the right to remove the men.  If a Chief was not obeying the will of the Clan Mother's circle, she would send a warrior to inform him.  He was always given the chance to have second warning, which was more public.  There would be no third warning, simply, his antlers were removed by force if necessary.

This right of impeachment from the oldest WORKING democracy in the world was studied by Ben Franklin in great detail, as he spent several decades learning it's methods.  (When he invited Thomas Paine to come from England, he recommended that Paine learn basic Mohawk so he could attend the treaty meetings to see democracy in action.  Ben's second greatest income after the Farmer's Almanac was the publication of treaty minutes with the Iroquois.)  Among other practices taken from his understanding of the Iroquois Confederacy was the idea of impeachment.  Sadly, he gave it to the men, though Pelosi doesn't honor the tradition well.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:23:54 PM EST
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More of this stuff CH - we have much to learn from the highly evolved ancient democracies that were destroyed by the Graeco-Roman rooted cultures.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 03:35:13 PM EST
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Sven, it's a pet subject of mine.  I've done extensive research into the Native origins of amurkan democracy, but the manuscript i eventually wrote is lost to me now.  It was cited in Jerry Mander's book "In the Absence of the Sacred," so he has a copy (and i saw him again is SF a few months ago).

The whole story of "contact" between the cultures is fascinating.  Did you know that early US settlers often tried to recapture settlers taken by "Indians" only to find that they didn't want to leave?  Especially women, as European women had never before experienced equality and respect.

There was so much of the European "Enlightenment" based upon the early contact with "natural man."  Locke, Rousseau, Hobbes.  One of the most popular French novels of the 17th century was a supposed recount of a trader's experience with "natives."  (Why can't i remember the name?)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:05:47 PM EST
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Well I hope we could have more insights from your research - seems fairly illuminating of the democracy debate.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 04:09:56 PM EST
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Cynical?  I think our official Cynical Brits, TBG and Helen, would disagree there.

"Dances on Penn" perhaps?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:38:10 PM EST
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I have no skill with such framing... but Caol Ila needs to feature somewhere.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 20th, 2008 at 05:47:07 PM EST
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