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So 50 people per square mile?

The UK has a population density of over 600 per square mile. Oops...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 02:14:07 PM EST
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I don't think you can keep fifty people alive for a year if all they do is forage - probably in any area.

While the rabbits here are plentiful over the summer, over the winter there's really nothing at all available for picking off a tree - unless you grow it, preserve it, or both.

In medieval times, 15-30 acres (6 to 12ha) were considered enough to support a family. Modern farming would be - at a guess - 5 to 10 times more productive.

So you could homestead successfully and possibly also be energy self-sufficient on around 3-5 acres, or perhaps an acre if you're a sustainable farming god.

But it would be organised seasonal growing and storing - foraging wouldn't be a big part of it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM EST
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So we're talking 1-2ha per family for food... 2ha might also provide you with 20KW of wind power.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 03:08:40 AM EST
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You'd need 20kW if you wanted to run an electric tractor - if such a thing existed, which so far as I know it doesn't. Ploughing with donkeys or oxen isn't a ton of fun.

Your self-sufficiency still depends on reasonable weather. If it's too wet or too dry or too stormy or too sunny, your crops fail and you starve.

The most useful thing civilisation does is manage storage and distribution of food to create a surplus and a safety net. (For most of the world.) The second most useful thing is management of infrastructure, including irrigation, drinking water, drainage and power distribution. The third is centralised access to expert services, including R&D/innovation, and medical care.

If everyone is a smallholder, all of those become more complicated and potentially less effective.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 03:43:17 AM EST
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Which is why survivalism is only realistic in a post-apocalyptic scenario.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:20:31 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
The most useful thing civilisation does is manage storage and distribution of food to create a surplus and a safety net. (For most of the world.) The second most useful thing is management of infrastructure, including irrigation, drinking water, drainage and power distribution. The third is centralised access to expert services, including R&D/innovation, and medical care.
We might want to use this as a counter to suggestions that Civilisation is a Pyramic Scheme.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 19th, 2008 at 05:23:57 AM EST
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