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However, what's really required is not a reduction of SUVs and pickups to 45% of all new cars and a practically flat consumption, but a reduction to practically nil in the former and reductions in double digits on the latter. So, we are still a lang way from real demand destruction.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 04:10:07 AM EST
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I think we'll see a bit of demand destruction in western countries, just by SUVs staying home or going to the scrapyard. See that article from last month. SUV are not selling new, with even more pressure on second hands and trade-ins. Pretty interesting read.

There is always a lag between price signals and infrastructure changes. With cars, it takes about 20 years to renew the fleet although strong pressures like gas prices can accelerate that.

Actually, you should read that too:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2008/02/median-vehicle.html

What's interesting in the US is that both the median age of the fleet and the scrappage rate are going up. What it suggests is that recent vehicles are going to the scrapyard - cars sold during the gas guzzling madness of the past 10 years - but older vehicles, which tended to be pretty sober, are staying in the fleet. It would actually match a bit what I see around me, with friends churning through new fancy cars but also hanging dearly on their old Honda Civic 1989 for commute. So, I wouldn't be surprised if we see a reduction of a couple of percents a year in the US. Just because of market inelasticity, it could end up moving oil prices quite a bit.

But at short term, I agree. Demand destruction will mostly happen on the margins, in weaker economies where energy is a much bigger share of income, hence much more sensitive. It's already happening in countries that cannot sustain subsidies against current prices - Nepal, Africa, etc.

by Francois in Paris on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 03:15:01 PM EST
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What it suggests is that recent vehicles are going to the scrapyard - cars sold during the gas guzzling madness of the past 10 years - but older vehicles, which tended to be pretty sober, are staying in the fleet.

Gah, pretty close to the definition of capital destruction.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 04:15:21 PM EST
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SUV were very stupid allocations of capital.
by Francois in Paris on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 04:20:33 PM EST
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