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Long term futures, like all other futures are bets and have no relationship to the physical market price other than peoples' expectations of it.

I am deeply concerned at what I believe to be a price bubble. It looks to me as though the physical market - ie the crude oil in the supply chain - has been inflated in some way (using forward physical contracts, actual purchases and storage in tank and on vessels) probably by a few of the major players acting in concert.

Something like this has been on the cards for years, as I said

Here

almost three years ago.

The risk is getting even more concentrated in single points of failure aka clearing houses than it was then.

The sublimely greedy ICEFutures - which is essentially the opaque market within which this Bubble has been inflated - is about to take on its own clearing, and this is at last raising a few hackles

Market questions clearing transfer

When this goes ahead on 1st July, not only will ICEFutures then cream off more profit a la Deutsche Borse but energy risk will no longer be "pooled" with other London commodity and financial futures risks as it is now.

The whole thing is an accident waiting to happen - I am irresistibly reminded of the Tin Crisis of 1985 - and IMHO if anyone cared to look they would find the relationship between Goldman Sachs and BP at the bottom of this bubble.

I am not saying that prices could or should return to previous levels, but I do believe that there is a speculative bubble sitting within the ICEFutures "Dark Star" and its membership.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 10:47:02 AM EST
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Long term futures, like all other futures are bets and have no relationship to the physical market price other than peoples' expectations of it.
Which is rather my point. Just about every major corporation is now going to be drawing 5-year projections with oil above $125. That changes a lot both at the micro and the macro levels.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 10:56:13 AM EST
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Oil futures have no liquidity beyond 6 months and have even less predictive power than the up to 6 month futures.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 12:26:27 PM EST
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