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Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:19:58 PM EST
And just a reminder of why we all love Italy (slightly adult, but not worse than an Italian shampoo commercial).


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:29:28 PM EST
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Just one paragraph to illustrate this:


The equation has changed: Today, with oil approaching $150 a barrel, most European countries, which generally have no oil and gas resources of their own, have been forced by finances to consider new forms of energy -- and fast. New nuclear plants take 20 years to build. Also, instead of Chernobyl, Europeans have more recently watched in horror as Russian president Vladamir Putin cut off the natural gas supply to Ukraine in a price dispute, leaving that country in darkness.

Breathlessness and ignorance on every line: oil at $150, countries "forced by finance" to look at energy, nuclear taking 20 years to build, Ukraine in darkness.

Scary to see such incompetence in the NYT.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:33:48 PM EST
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I'm not shocked.  NYT has become nothing more than drivel with a good pedigree.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:40:01 PM EST
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Hilarious indeed.

And to tell the truth, an Italian minister saying something only means so much. There's hardly a consensus and there will be delays and trouble.

Interestingly and in difference from Sweden, another phase-out basket case, the Italian nuclear industry has persevered and gotten lots of foreign contracts. They still have competence. If (=when) we would (=will) do the renaissance thing up here, there will be strains, and looooots of retired engineers brought back form retirement as consultants.

At least I'll get a job.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:41:07 PM EST
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Nobody will authorise export of sensitive technology to a country with no functioning supervisory authority...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:35:27 PM EST
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The French will export anything to anyone, as long as they get payed. ;)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:42:48 PM EST
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Oh, and did I mention those dastardly Swedes? ;)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:45:19 PM EST
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    IKEA
by PIGL on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 08:37:07 AM EST
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A country that seems incapable of dealing with its conventional waste is unlikely to be a poster child for secure nuclear waste management.

But it's okay. Serious people have decided that nuclear must be our base load capacity and if we all end up glowing in the dark cos the people running it are criminals and militarist authoritarians, well at least it'll save on lighting costs.

Nuclear power has only delivered in one country (and we don't know the dismantling costs), and that country seems to be committing reformist hari-kiri even as we speak, so I don't give us much hope over the tens of thousands of years we need to keep this idiotic policy going.

glad i don't have kids, I don't have to care what happens after I'm gone.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:36:14 PM EST
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Thanks for this.  A large gust of fresh air.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:37:23 PM EST
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Sorry, I got my references confused.  I was referring to a reference to "Post Autistic Economics" as a breath of fresh air.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:40:51 PM EST
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