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Guardian - Crewe byelection: Labour braced for hammering

Labour was tonight preparing itself for an electoral hammering as it awaited the results of the Crewe and Nantwich byelection.

Party sources have admitted that Labour could lose by as many as 8,000 votes in what is being billed as the most important byelection for more than a decade.

The polls close at 10pm and the result is expected between 2am and 3am. Some activists on the ground in Crewe said that turnout had been higher than expected.

If it is of that order Brown has little chance of surviving to the next election, possibly not till Xmas. Of course, there is the minor problem that there isn't a credible replacement but right now allowing Brown to walk in unopposed last year is looking to be a mistake of clinton AUMF proportions. An election losing fatal error that can never be washed away.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 05:50:37 PM EST
Some activists on the ground in Crewe said that turnout had been higher than expected.

They smell blood.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:11:27 PM EST
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Hence the thread title. I'm really looking forward to what happens after this. UK politics may actually become lively again if the deadening numbness, the unlistening monotone of its message, that has defined NuLab is pierced.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:15:54 PM EST
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I'm not. It'll be another round of criminals and jackasses - meaning professional criminals and jackasses, not the amateurs which NuLab has mostly thrown up.

NuLab could do with a stiff reminder where its loyalties should lie, but unfortunately without a credible progressive party in the UK we're left with a choice on a spectrum between bimbly well-meaning ineptitude and outright frothing racism.

Cameron is already preparing his short sharp shock of national austerity speech (for everyone except his City chums.)

Education? Health care? Transport? Climate change? Social investment? Infrastructure? Strategy and foresight?

No, I don't think so.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 07:52:59 PM EST
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First things first: The unions get crushed.  I note the Tories' site -- what's with the stupid tree symbol? -- takes digs at Labour for union donations.

And American "Welfare-to-Work" has now been replaced by "Work for Welfare" over there.

Now that I think about it, looking through the agenda, is there anything in this that they didn't rob from the post-1994 US?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:00:26 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
what's with the stupid tree symbol?

Green. So, very, very green.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:23:21 PM EST
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I'd say it's like the Bush administration for retarded people, but as no one among the Tories could possibly be as stupid as Bush, I'll conclude it's an act, and thus that it's even worse.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 08:36:07 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
I'd say it's like the Bush administration for retarded people, but as no one among the Tories could possibly be as stupid as Bush, I'll conclude it's an act, and thus that it's even worse.

You're forgetting the Epic Fail that was the Thatcher legacy.

Stupid? Criminal? Self-serving and smug? Abusive towards the weak and poor?

When they say 'You can have it all', that's exactly what they mean.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 04:37:09 AM EST
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Yes, that's true.  Bush is undoubtedly the bastard child of Reagan and Thatcher.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 10:27:44 AM EST
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I'm going to have to wash my minds eye out with soap after that particularly nasty image.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 10:33:02 AM EST
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See, now why ya gotta be like that?  The image didn't pop into my head until you mentioned it, and now I want to kill myself.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 11:01:45 AM EST
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the stupid tree is that tree that tory candidates full out of, and hit every branch on the way to the ground.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 09:58:58 PM EST
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You mean the Ugly Tree?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 10:10:31 PM EST
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they take them up that one too

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 03:15:48 AM EST
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Hazel Bleughs is on question time tonight. I realised how much I hate NuLab when I accepted I just couldn't face listening to her voice. The only noise I could bear listening to from her is the clank of the chains as she begs for our forgiveness for everything she's said or done since she entered parliament.

and the multitudes who pitilessly turn our thumbs down on her entreaties. Hers and every other Blairite scumdrels that has polluted our politics since 1997. To the lions with them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:20:44 PM EST
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Commentators are suggesting  that the result of tonights crewe event, will be probably  more of anti-Brown rather than Pro-Cameron. if they are correct it might be that the frame is decided already, and it isn't pro-tory.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 06:47:49 PM EST
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Does NuLab have anyone better than Gordo?

The long knives will be out after Crewe, but it's not clear that any of the second-raters would be more popular or effective than our current leaderiser.

My nightmare NuLab choice would be John Reid. Mr Bovver Boot would make an exceedingly bad prime minister, and really shouldn't be allowed within Westminster's grubby oik exclusion zone, just in case.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 07:58:21 PM EST
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Not anyone instantly obvious, it would have to be someone who's a public name. and most of the well known names fail one of

 Looks like an out of work muppet
looks like an escaped lunatic
is obviously bonkers
is obviously a religious nut
is too closely connected to the war
is too closely part of a Brown/blair faction.

if you were looking for a choice from Labour who was popular or against the war, you'd really be left looking at Mo Mowlam or Robin Cook, and they're probably disqualified through being dead

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 09:55:58 PM EST
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True, but it's hard to think of a Tory without a similar list of attributes - up to and including being dead.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 04:38:49 AM EST
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