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Water privatization seems to have been a disaster in every case I've come across, whether in London or Atlanta or wherever else.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:00:52 PM EST
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No, actually it's been very profitable.

Uh, how are you defining disaster?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:03:47 PM EST
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I know, I know.  I was defining disaster as, you know, inflated bills, infrastructure ruined by lack of investment (and the waste involved), etc.

But I s'pose if you want to look at it that way, then I guess you're right.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:16:27 PM EST
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$0.016 per cubic foot seems to be the rate in Colorado Springs. But it's going to go up soon, because people are conserving and because new home building has diminished.
http://www.csu.org/customer/rates/page17755.html

It would be interesting to compare domestic water rates around the world...

by asdf on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 02:30:42 PM EST
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I used to love the place. I heard that Michelle's (?) ice cream is gone. True?

Water in Stevenson, WA (city system)is $.024 per cubic foot after the initial 400 cubic feet at $.04 per. Rate hasn't changed in a bunch of years.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 04:34:33 PM EST
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Michelle's ice cream and candy store in Colorado Springs is indeed gone, but that general area is in much better shape--businesswise--than it was a few years ago. Downtown is Booming, in fact...
by asdf on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 02:11:34 PM EST
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Not for the shareholders and especially not for the boards.

It was standard practice under Thatcher's privatisation program for the ministers responsible for pushing the legislation through would suddenly - and completely unexpectedly - be given jobs on the boards of the newly privatised corporations they'd created.

The economy is not run for the likes of you or me or people who can't pay their inflated bills after 'competition' has had its way with them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:04:59 PM EST
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Well, that's unsurprising.  Crazy Maggie did, after all, have bigger balls than anybody else in the Commons.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 01:18:09 PM EST
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Hey, that reminds of something else in recent history. Wait a second (scritch, scratch, scowl) I have it! The collapse of the Soviet Union and the wholesale theft privatisation of public assets.
by PIGL on Fri May 23rd, 2008 at 08:21:56 AM EST
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It is quite unusual to see that the world leaders in privatising water around the world have been the two big French utilities, Lyonnaise des Eaux (now Suez) and Compagnie Générale des Eaux (now Veolia via Vivendi). Unexpectedly for France, the water sector has long been privatised and run under long term concession given by local authorities (actually, it used to be by local representatives of the central government, until the decentralisation of the 80s, when this was transferred to local governments, with the result that corruption skyrocketed, as the local guys were much less experienced to negotiate these contracts).

The lesson in that is that you need someone extremely powerful to negotiate with  such private groups (like the highly centralised French State, old style), or you get corruption and higher prices.

On the other hand, water distribution in third world countries is so hopelessly skewed towards the (small) middle class at the expense of the (much larger) poor that privatisation, well managed, could bring real progress for the poor that already pay horrendous prices for water. Of course, the "well managed bit" requires good governance, and competent governments, so, as in other sectors, it's not the best reform to improve services when government doesn't work already.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu May 22nd, 2008 at 02:44:32 PM EST
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