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"Drinking wine to save the planet" - now that's my kind of campaign ! :-)

Yes, the French do tend to take their pleasure in food and wine seriously. My comments on food tend to be limited to things like: "This is nice". They discuss each dish, other dishes they've had, ingredients, recipes, restaurants, etc., etc.  - sometimes through the whole meal! In my Anglo way I tend to think - can we talk about something interesting now :-) But I'm trying to reform - and take these far from simple pleasures more seriously too.

 Maybe I'll even develop a more sophisticated taste in wine; I have tried a variety of French wines, but I have been rather disappointed generally. I tend to prefer the often stronger wines of Australia - heresy here I know - though I believe some Australian wine-makers have helped improve some French wines.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon May 26th, 2008 at 12:02:44 PM EST
This goes a bit beyond the French cultural tendency to talk about food the way Brits talk about the weather ;), though. We were hearing a lot about how good wine is made, what the techniques are (as opposed to chemical manipulation). The aim is both to support quality products and their producers in the local area, and to encourage consumers to be more aware of what they consume, what constitutes good or bad food or drink. We have eighty households on the association's books at the moment, most of whom buy a major share of their food from the association's chosen producers.

There are very good Australian wines, but I'm surprised they'd be "stronger" than French. That would probably depend on which French, I'd imagine...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 08:20:15 AM EST
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I was just talking (not too seriously :-)) about my experience - I understand and applaud the  broader aims of the group you're involved with.

Re strength of wine - of course there are strong French wines, however:

If, though, it is bolstered by plenty of fruit, a more alcoholic wine tends to have a fuller, glossier mouthfeel than a weaker counterpart, which might even seem thin by contrast. This is the case with many wines from Australia, Chile, Argentina and South Africa, where a hot sun ripens grapes with high levels of the sugar that fermentation then converts into a lot of alcohol.

The big, bold, rich style of these New World wines has proved so successful that wine makers in other parts of the world have begun to mimic it, and alcohol levels have crept steadily upwards to meet demand.

http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/drink/story/0,,2147644,00.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 09:06:43 AM EST
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Philippe explained that global warming is little by little raising the alcohol content of wine (see my reply below to Nomad for an example of a strong wine).

But, since Australia is warming fast, with drought problems, one would expect their wines to get stronger yet!

(At some point, this would lead, for me, to wines that don't accompany a meal as much as knock the commensals out...)

Here's a diary by a siegel on this very subject.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 11:54:26 AM EST
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Isn't there a limit to how high an alcohol content yeast can tolerate?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 11:56:15 AM EST
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Logically, alcohol production stops when there's no more sugar for the yeast to transform. Can the alcohol content reach a stage where it kills the yeast?

That's a question for Philippe next time I see him.

The result sounds yucky: strong alcohol and residual sweet grape juice.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 12:03:36 PM EST
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Yes, terrible stuff. Apparently you need special yeasts to get the alcohol content past about 14%.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 12:16:34 PM EST
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Oh, but I don't think of that as residual sweet grape juice. That's the nectar of the gods.

The time of harvesting of course has an effect on sugar levels. The later the harvest, the higher the sugar. Apparently harvesting is being brought forward earlier to avoid wines being at 13-14%, which most people don't want as table wines.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 12:45:32 PM EST
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The real nectar of the gods comes from further north and has much lower alcohol contents - i.e. BA, TBA, and Eiswein's from the Mosel. One of the few good sides of living in Koblenz was the proximity to the vineyards which sold their wines to visitors at the same price that the wholesalers got them. Though that also meant that there were none to be found in the local wine shops. The vintners were incredibly friendly and had a wonderful habit of not just offering tastes of all the wines on sale, but occasionally providing a sip of whatever ancient bottle from their private reserve that day (though that meant Spaetleses and Ausleses, not the higher grades). Twenty or thirty year old Mosels - the only whites that come close are top of the line Burgundies.
by MarekNYC on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:08:47 PM EST
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Cf.:

   The Alcohol Debate - Wine and Food

The current outcry against high alcohol wines has, at its center, the notion that these wines are simply not food friendly. Randy Dunn, of Dunn Vineyards, has written "Most wine drinkers do not really appreciate wines that are 15 -16 +% alcohol. They are, in fact, hot and very difficult to enjoy with a meal. About the only dish that seems to put them in their place is a good hot, spicy dish."

Eric Asimov of The Pour has noted "Many Californians argue that nothing is wrong with high-alcohol wines so long as they are balanced. Nonsense. I like to drink wine with my meal, not sip it, and the more alcohol in the wine, the less I can drink.".

Dan Berger of Vintage Experiences has penned "Meanwhile, I keep trying the 15% wines and can't get a single (small) glass down. Too hot. Too heavy. Not a wine to go with food.

http://shirazshiraz.blogspot.com/2007/08/alcohol-debate-wine-and-food.html



Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 12:23:10 PM EST
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I like to drink wine with my meal, not sip it

Exactly. Good quote.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 27th, 2008 at 12:48:35 PM EST
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Although I enjoy listening to a brass band from time to time, I usually favour chamber music...

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 03:55:25 PM EST
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A lot depends on whether you want it as an accompaniment to the meal or on its own. But there's also the problem that Californian wines tend to either be crap or horribly expensive.
by MarekNYC on Thu May 29th, 2008 at 04:02:20 PM EST
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