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So here we have another country where the supposed uniting presidential role leads to poor choices, in spite this being a country whose citizens take their decisions seriously.

It seems that figureheads are at best a distraction. Politics has to be divisive, because different social groups have opposing interests.

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Could the Eurovision Song Contest be used as a formula to select powerless presidents? Only that the competitors should be humorists, not singers. Portugal could offer a very nice german-descendant comedian.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:24:14 AM EST
the supposed uniting presidential role leads to poor choices

In what sense? Köhler was definitely a poor choice from my hard-left point of view, but he is very popular in Germany: the last poll saw 85% approval, I think. Even from my perspective, the damage he did was limited, with no influence on actual decisions and switching to more left-friendly populism in his speeches more recently. Prior German presidents were very widely popular, too. I myself rather liked Richard von Weizsäcker (President 1984-1994), despite coming from the CDU. Hungary also has a similar system, and the Presidents topped politician approval rate lists most of the time (myself, I liked the first, detested the second, am currently so-so about the third who is the incumbent).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 05:27:06 AM EST
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In the sense that they tend to have a middle-of-the-road perspective. Presidents generally act as semi-retired.

For example, in Portugal, we have had as most proeminent presidents the two most active former prime-ministers. When they do arrive to presidency, they take a much more relaxed attitude. Too much relaxed.

Why is that? I do not know for certain, but I bet on the posture they have to assume as presidential candidates - which is basically a two party system. A presidential campaign is, among other things, a training camp for the candidates to "let go" their personal beliefs.

French presidential campaigns are something else.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 03:24:52 PM EST
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Ah! Then we have a misunderstanding. I was speaking about parliamentary republics with figurehead Presidents; Presidents whose role is largely to appear as an inspiring father/mother figure. Portugal, like France (and Romania and Austria and Poland) are mixed parliamentary-Presidential systems; your Presidents are not figureheads but Presidents with some real power. This is emphasized by the fact that you have them elected by the people, rather parliament or another indirectly representative body of electors. (Well OK, I am drawing a fine line here; Finland's and Slovakia's popularly elected Presidents may be called figureheads, and Portugal's may be not that much more powerful than those.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri May 30th, 2008 at 06:25:49 PM EST
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Ah, it makes total sense now. Thank you, DoDo.
You do very well in noting the variations in semi-presidential regimes across Europe.

Portuguese presidents do have some real powers, rarely used. Namely the power to throw down government and simultaneously order general elections. This has happened once - considering only the period after the 1974 revolution -, 3 years ago.
They cannot veto laws, only demand a confirmation from parliament, or question proposed law's compatibility to the constitution, which will be decided by a council of judges (Constitutional Court).

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 05:27:25 AM EST
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That sounds like not much more extensive than the powers of a figurehead President. In which case, I am curious: what would you expect from a more activist, less middle-of-the-road President? Sending back more laws to Parliament, and voicing opinions about law proposals more loudly?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Sat May 31st, 2008 at 12:26:08 PM EST
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Yes. To have the right vision - i.e. to have the ability to see through the mystifications of the corporate media - and to express it frequently, EVEN if its opinions are not shared by most of the population (who cannot see through due to no stimulation of critical thinking).

Id est, to behave as a political figure, instead of someone above (or post-) politics.

by findmeaDoorIntoSummer on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 05:57:26 AM EST
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