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I just love to see creativity in action.

To see people turned on by possiblities.

I spent the whole evening on the patio discussing a letter to the President of Finland, Tarja Halonen. We think it is time for a debate about Happiness.

We are not expecting answers - we think that part of the role of  President is to open debate.

We will write this letter in the next 4 weeks and use our media contacts to ensure the question is aired.

Being creative is part of the answer ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 03:54:59 PM EST
I'm sure that there is a lot that governments can learn from a debate on happiness.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 03:59:10 PM EST
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Happiness debate.   (First the Danes build a hotel outta legos and now the Finns are going to debate happiness.  I'm expecting the next President of the European Commission to be a Smurf at this point.)

So, will you be on the pro-Happiness or anti-Happiness side?  What position is Halonen expected to take?  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:06:51 PM EST
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Surely it will be a debate on how to ensure happiness of the population or a discussion on what happiness is and how we can improve happiness levels. perhaps a Smurf president is one way of attaining this.

I'm sure I remember reading that one of the measures of success for Tibet is happiness of the people.  

Anyway, do you like my photos?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:10:17 PM EST
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Yes


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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:11:26 PM EST
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The unhappy thing about happiness economics
- from the "real world economics review".
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:19:44 PM EST
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A fair argument about the possible relativity of happinness, but what they are really measuring is dignity - which is objectively relative. ie it needs a society to be relative to.

Personal happiness is internally relative. It's about hormone activation, not about questionnaires.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:40:53 PM EST
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I would differentiate between happiness and dignity.  And I've made it clear -I hope- where I come down on dignity.

But don't most governments make some mention of dignity in their Constitutions, etc?  It's the actual legislation and its enforcement once the debates are over that impact people's lives - not the debates themselves.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:49:14 PM EST
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Maybe in America. In Finland still, the public debate (where there is one) will define the legsislation. That is how it should be IMO.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:56:14 PM EST
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Whats a smurf?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:17:58 PM EST
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Here are the smurfs!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:25:23 PM EST
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Oh, you mean the 'Schlümpfe'! :-) Okay, maybe one of them as President would do. Definitely better than a tony.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:27:46 PM EST
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I was being snarky, but to be honest, I'm both jealous and dumbfounded that this, of all topics, is deemed nec. for the gov't. to debate.  In my country, and I suspect most parts of the world, there are so many matters of life and death piled up a million miles tall on the desks of The People In Charge, to debate happiness would feel like fiddling while Rome burns.  It's either a precious luxury or just mad - I can't decide.  

Also, I'm not sure where I come down on government intervention in existential matters like happiness.  That's the America (libertarian) in me: I want the gov't. to respect my right to be utterly depressive.

Your photos: you look like you are having fun with your new gizmo.  I'm not very interested in the technique of photography or in taking pictures.  But some photography appeals to me.  In fact, when I go to the museum, it is always the first room I visit.  And I recently stumbled upon Velibor Bozovic, whose work I like very much.  

I like the blue picture.  I love things that are blue.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:36:08 PM EST
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Thanks for the link, there are some excellent photos there.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:40:46 PM EST
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It is not for the government to debate, but for the President to inspire everybody tyo discuss. Why the fuck woud anyone care about the matters of global life and death otherwise?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:45:27 PM EST
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Like all of us here, I am pro-happiness. Halonen is too -  but how does it play? Does a debate about what happiness is raise feeelings of inequality or optimism? Will Finns understand the root of unhappiness in others (worldwide), or will they still seek to adjust their blinkers?.

We decided it is worth putting time into. We are capable of writing a letter that we can ensure will come to the president's attention. What we don't know is the reaction.

But there is nothing to lose...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed May 28th, 2008 at 04:23:55 PM EST
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