Great admiration for all your efforts over the years, Fran--but little is accomplished by just relabeling time. We need an early forum that offers a venue for today's things. Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
Secondly, the Salon isn't only about breaking news. It's always also been about commentary and analysis, the media's and ours. Such items may be a day, two, three or more old. What matters is (one way or another) their interest.
Next, it's open to all. Post breaking news or very fresh items as you see them.
Lastly, today is exceptional as the server was down most of the European night, and contributions from other time zones (America, Asia) have not come in for that reason.
"I don't really see what the dateline has to do with it. Fran (or autofran, or another person) put the Salon up early in the European morning, which was generally still the day before in America anyway."
Of course the actual text matters little-it's the time frame that matters.
I get up and dial up ET, with stuff to share--and I find yesterday's "European Salon de News---" with perhaps sixty of eighty comments already.
I've been known to sit on the bow and talk to myself, after a long night of some potion or other- but anyone who desires a richer conversation knows that to arrive very late at the party--or at the end of a long string of comments --is to often find oneself talking to the wind.
"Klatch" - an informal gathering, as for conversation.
Well--thanks.
-I guess. Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news?
It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
"Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news? It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is."
It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is."
I take this for arcane humor from the adult world of the front page. Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
If we have to have a coffee thread that is mostly empty at 8am in order to keep the European time zone users happy, we can do that. Then we can have an afternoon and an evening threads so the Americans and the Asians can come in to an empty thread, too.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. There seem to be lots of people who want their European coffee thread, but it won't be Fran serving it any longer - she'll be serving a late evening snack instead. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day--before coffee. Aargh!
But the "theming" would be fun, I think. Needs to be loose. Bearing in mind that sometimes it's true that the best discussions are those threads that emerge spontaneously from something else.
My point was not to criticize how it's done, but when it's done. The time window for me tends to be early, since once the poppets get up around seven, --it's likely over. it would seem that's likely a common situation. Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
"If you build it, they will come" You can't be me, I'm taken
That's you in Paris. How about the Americans? And how about people who join the salon from work as opposed to from home?
Which is why I said upthread that if we need to post a new open thread every 8 hours to make sure we cater to everyone we can do so. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
Perhaps just opening up a page with a theme, and/or a couple quotes (as you sometimes do)
or this
geezer in Paris:
We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day-
what do you mean by "theme park"? I just collect information available at the internet - and sometime themes just develop. However, I just don't have the time currently to do that in the morning. For me the problem is the time, especially in the morning and I just don't see my self getting up even earlier.
"Theme Park" was a humorous (or not) way to point that out- unfair for you to have to Park the brain in theme mode every day-- when others might be willing to help.
We play with words a lot in the Miller household-"Pilsnerd" was my 10-year-old daughter's idea for my imaginary bilge-brewed beer, for example. May be some insight there? Aimed at me, Helen.
Right now, the "Klatch" part typically draws less news-oriented comments, and more personal stuff. I sort of like that. Again(again)((again)), this was never intended to be a criticism of HOW or WHAT, but just WHEN--and with some ideas to offer.
In my original; comment, in two places, I think, I pointed out that I was not attacking, and that I was (am) well aware and appreciative of your work.
As for a daily diary,-- That's why we have a front page,(and front pagers) -is it not? I have neither the time nor the interest (or the dedication) to do Fan's job. Not all differing ideas need to be taken as personal criticisms. Not intended--just suggestions. Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
there is not a single article or comment with a date of June 3
I had to laugh at the irony of your comment being dated june 3rd. sorry.
Actually I suspect that lack has more to do with the site having been down all night thanks to a storm at BooMan. keep to the Fen Causeway
Where's that design for a MicroMicro brewery?
Bilge-size? Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
there's no designs on the web that are useful but I can supply you with phone numbers of people. keep to the Fen Causeway
The point calling it the 3rd, is that two hours after I post it, it will be the 3rd and most additional news will be dated from the 3rd.
But as afew said, the Salon isn't just about breaking news. If that is what people want, we might have to change the entire concept of the Salon.
And this morning, I could not post anyway. So we will have to see how it works out over the coming days. :-)
I am more creative in the morning and just have to use that time more again to earn my living. I always considered the Salon a service to you people and enjoyed doing it most of the time. But if you think, what I can offer is not of value anymore, maybe it is time for somebody else to take over.
Also, AutoFran can work in the morning, afternoons, or evenings, I think--so the timing of the Salon can be separated from your always-appreciated-by-me input, which means you can--post as you like!
Ach...maybe I no make zer sense as per normal.
Anyways,
Don't fight forces, use them R. Buckminster Fuller.
If Fran feels like the Salon has become a chore then maybe we could do with just bring-your-own-news open threads? And given that people don't like to come to an open thread where there are dozens of comments already one open thread a day or even two may not be good enough, so maybe "Morning", "Afternoon" and "Evening" open threads, or "Breakfast", "Lunch" and "Dinner", or "European", "American", and "Asia-Pacific"...
I'll just throw it out there for the time being, as we should give the current new arrangement a try for at least a couple of weeks before reconsidering. My point is that there are ways to accommodate everyone if everyone makes their needs known. When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
Actually I enjoyed setting up the Salon the past two evenings, I do not mind spending the time, really.
However, I must say I am a little amazed that the correct timeline seems to be more important the the contents of the Salon, which actually is not really much different, from when I postet it in the morning.
I think we need more diaries about the English language. :-D
Based on the first day's trial, it's looking like that if it hadn't been for the Boo-crash we'd have had more traffic for both the Salon and the OT than usual, which makes it a win.
In spite of appearances the Salon isn't a newswire, so if it takes a few extra hours for news to appear there, I wouldn't see that as a bad thing.
I'm sure if something unavoidably important happens we'll hear about it anyway, one way or another.
And yes, most of the items, whether you access and post them early in the morning or the evening before, are the same.
Anyway, if there are people who want someone to shoot over this change, it's not Fran: the idea was mine.
but that's no reason not to change things, especially when it's far more suited to fitting in with your needs. We all appreciate your work on our behalf and we're all very grateful. keep to the Fen Causeway
