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I don't really see what the dateline has to do with it. Fran (or autofran, or another person) put the Salon up early in the European morning, which was generally still the day before in America anyway. And a great deal of the news items and articles have always been from the day/evening/night before (news sites don't have editions like print newspapers).

Secondly, the Salon isn't only about breaking news. It's always also been about commentary and analysis, the media's and ours. Such items may be a day, two, three or more old. What matters is (one way or another) their interest.

Next, it's open to all. Post breaking news or very fresh items as you see them.

Lastly, today is exceptional as the server was down most of the European night, and contributions from other time zones (America, Asia) have not come in for that reason.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 04:29:02 AM EST
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"I don't really see what the dateline has to do with it. Fran (or autofran, or another person) put the Salon up early in the European morning, which was generally still the day before in America anyway."

Of course the actual text matters little-it's the time frame that matters.

I get up and dial up ET, with stuff to share--and I find yesterday's "European Salon de News---" with perhaps sixty of eighty comments already.

I've been known to sit on the bow and talk to myself, after a long night of some potion or other-
 but anyone who desires a richer conversation knows that to arrive very late at the party--or at the end of a long string of comments --is to often find oneself talking to the wind.

"Klatch" - an informal gathering, as for conversation.

Next, it's open to all. Post breaking news or very fresh items as you see them.

Well--thanks.

-I guess.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:01:37 AM EST
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The thing is, Fran doesn't want to spend a couple of hours every morning seeding the thread with news so she thought of moving her thread (which she used to call Breakfast and then renamed to Salon) from the early morning to the late evening. We will now be having the Open Thread around noon...

Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news?

It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:16:41 AM EST
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"Coffee Klatch"--someone to talk to over coffee, in the morning. Before school, work, before real life.

"Maybe it would be better to have three open threads 8 hours apart and relieve Fran from the obligation to seed any of them with news?

It's impossible to keep everyone happy, or maybe it is."

I take this for arcane humor from the adult world of the front page.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:40:22 AM EST
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You are humourless today.

If we have to have a coffee thread that is mostly empty at 8am in order to keep the European time zone users happy, we can do that. Then we can have an afternoon and an evening threads so the Americans and the Asians can come in to an empty thread, too.

I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. There seem to be lots of people who want their European coffee thread, but it won't be Fran serving it any longer - she'll be serving a late evening snack instead.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:44:33 AM EST
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I do seem to be getting less likely to laugh--or less able to find the joke.


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 02:56:19 PM EST
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Sure, but most of the time, it has been very lonely doing the Salon in the morning as almost no one showed up for the coffee. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 08:02:56 AM EST
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I can imagine.
Perhaps just opening up a page with a theme, and/or a couple quotes (as you sometimes do) that illustrate it, or different perspectives on an issue many of us have an interest in. Then let it run--or die.

We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day--before coffee. Aargh!

But the "theming" would be fun, I think. Needs to be loose.
Bearing in mind that sometimes it's true that the best discussions are those threads that emerge spontaneously from something else.

My point was not to criticize how it's done, but when it's done. The time window for me tends to be early, since once the poppets get up around seven, --it's likely over. it would seem that's likely a common situation.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 02:53:21 PM EST
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Geezer - I haven't followed the whole discussion, but you are free to put up 'Geezer's Early Morning Cafe' diary any day you wish.

"If you build it, they will come"

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:00:16 PM EST
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There is that, too.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:04:16 PM EST
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My point was not to criticize how it's done, but when it's done. The time window for me tends to be early, since once the poppets get up around seven, --it's likely over. it would seem that's likely a common situation.

That's you in Paris. How about the Americans? And how about people who join the salon from work as opposed to from home?

Which is why I said upthread that if we need to post a new open thread every 8 hours to make sure we cater to everyone we can do so.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:03:47 PM EST
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Geezer, I am not sure I understand what you mean by these:
geezer in Paris:
Perhaps just opening up a page with a theme, and/or a couple quotes (as you sometimes do)

or this

geezer in Paris:

We could solicit suggestions for a theme idea for that day, or next day, even, so you wouldn't get stuck with the brain in "theme park" every day-

what do you mean by "theme park"? I just collect information available at the internet - and sometime themes just develop. However, I just don't have the time currently to do that in the morning. For me the problem is the time, especially in the morning and I just don't see my self getting up even earlier.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 03:42:41 PM EST
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Exactly.
That was exactly my point- the work load is obviously high to produce lots of snippets to draw comments--

"Theme Park" was a humorous (or not) way to point that out- unfair for you to have to Park the brain in theme mode every day-- when others might be willing to help.

We play with words a lot in the Miller household-"Pilsnerd" was my 10-year-old daughter's idea for my imaginary bilge-brewed beer, for example. May be some insight there? Aimed at me, Helen.

Right now, the  "Klatch" part typically draws less news-oriented comments, and more personal stuff. I sort of like that.
Again(again)((again)), this was never intended to be a criticism of HOW or WHAT, but just WHEN--and with some ideas to offer.

In my original; comment, in two places, I think, I pointed out that I was not attacking, and that I was (am) well aware and appreciative of your work.

As for a daily diary,--
That's why we have a front page,(and front pagers) -is it not?
I have neither the time nor the interest (or the dedication) to do Fan's job.
Not all differing ideas need to be taken as personal criticisms. Not intended--just suggestions.


Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Wed Jun 4th, 2008 at 04:35:02 AM EST
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