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Some useful talking points vs. Kossacks:

  • Even with gas tax, you would be far from EU levels even a few years ago, and the working poor have cars here too.

  • There's always car-sharing.

  • Gas prices are to rise whatever you do (due to demand growth against limited supplies, as you say above). So why give all that money to the oil majors and furriners? Why not keep some at home and build an alternative from it (e.g. public transport, at least like New York has it)?


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 6th, 2008 at 03:53:20 AM EST
* Partly for similar reasons, in Europe, governments managed to raise gas taxes in the middle of the Second Oil Shock in the early eighties.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 6th, 2008 at 03:54:54 AM EST
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DoDo: Why not keep some at home and build an alternative from it (e.g. public transport, at least like New York has it)?

New York City's buses may be fine, but its subway system, while not useless, is primitive, dirty, inconvenient and unreliable.  Between JFK Airport and the subways, a visitor to that city might think they just arrived in a developing country.  Other countries would be ashamed to have such a decrepit public transport system.

As Tom Friedman recently wrote,

If all Americans could compare Berlin's luxurious central train station today with the grimy, decrepit Penn Station in New York City, they would swear we were the ones who lost World War II.

Tells you instantly what the city thinks about transportation support for the masses -- and the USA as well (assuming NYC has one of the best mass transit systems in the country, though maybe some other cities have already surpassed it.)

A language is a dialect with an army and navy.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue May 6th, 2008 at 05:29:00 PM EST
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DoDo:
Even with gas tax, you would be far from EU levels even a few years ago, and the working poor have cars here too.

The poor do, but car commuting isn't quite as essential here. It's possible to survive without a car in bigger cities without too much effort.

The US is mostly mall sprawl, so gas isn't discretionary spending.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 07:48:29 AM EST
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