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Biological evolution gives solutions to various problems of life, and Malthusian problems were certainly "addressed" numerous times. Competition drives are probably well contained in Nature.

Human intelligence must be facing Malthusian predicaments headlong for the first time. Local over-exploitation dramas must have happened many times before, with various outcomes: migration to (or concurring) other region was probably most frequent solution. But for the first time really, we won't have the option to migrate, so it's gonna be "interesting". We should not rely on the empirical intuition that laisse faire nature runs no real risk of catastrophic collapse.

by das monde on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 07:20:01 AM EST
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Malthusian predicaments have been faced headlong by societies in Europe, and I guess, Asia, for quite some time. European population has been intermittently near top carrying capacity for about three thousand years. Migration wasn't the solution then ; famines and birth control were more current.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 07:45:16 AM EST
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Which historical circumstances would you identify as Malthusian predicaments? Black Death is not exactly a Malthusian restriction. Wars were hardly fought out of desperation, but rather because it was an "enjoyable" and quite ample way of making living. Europe's population now is much higher than during any possible previous Malthusian peaks.
by das monde on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 08:07:50 AM EST
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What do you identify as a Malthusian predicament ?

For quite a few centuries, around the Roman invasion, between 10th-14th century and from the 16th onward, France's population remained near the Malthusian maximum. And it wasn't wars that kept the population in check, but rather regular famines - due to lack of food. Hardly more Malthusian. Famines didn't cut the population in half like the Black Death, but rather killed a few percentages here and there, the poorest and weakest... And were a regular occurence.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:11:57 PM EST
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It wasn't faced consciously, it just happened. It could easily just happen again. The predator curve peaks, there's a die-off, everyone is happy.

European populations have been alternating between increasing (short term) carrying capacity and hitting the limits of existing capacity, with the usual round of death and famine that happens around that point.

The challenge this time seems to be to manage the death and famine intelligently, rather than have them just happen.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 08:09:05 AM EST
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During the 17th and 18th century, European population stayed approximately at the carrying capacity. And at least France was conscious  that there were too many people : marriage age was increased, many babies were sent to die in orphanages... And that wasn't enough to avoid such population growth as to avoid famine. But there was an at least semi-conscious attempt at avoiding it.

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 12:06:56 PM EST
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But what does Malthus have to do with the situation in Europe now? He was mainly concerned about the consequences of population increase, and the birth rates in most of Europe suggest that we've finally solved that problem. We may be running out of natural resources, such as energy, which will be a very serious problem if we don't come up with a solution in time. But this has nothing to do with Malthus: A solution, whether renewables, or energy efficency, might really be a solution, whereas under Malthus it will just buy time until the population gets even bigger.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 08:20:26 AM EST
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