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I have seen estimates that the time required to colonize the galaxy even at slow speeds is of the order of a million years, so if we haven't made contact with extraterrestrial civilizations it's either because we're indeed first (and note that we're not even first yet, as we don't really have interstellar travel) or because there's a quarantine on emerging civilizations.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 07:28:20 AM EST
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Migeru:
or because there's a quarantine on emerging civilizations.

Isn't that the Star Trek philosophy?

On a rational level, I'd find it supremely arrogant (or a cosmic comedy) to have humanity as the first species at least pondering on interstellar travel...

Yet on interstellar travel, I always get stuck in the quandary of transportation and time. Rumsfeldian "we don't know what we don't know" may offer a pinch of hope, but for a while now I've been leaning to the idea that intelligent life, even if has flowered copiously through the galaxy, is hopelessly stuck, each on their own gyrating piece of rock, each and every one feeling miserably alone. And in space, as the saying goes, no one hears you scream.

And that's what I'd call tragedy.

by Nomad on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 07:49:28 AM EST
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My guess is that any species capable of multi-light year travel will not be interested in the things we are. Dyson spheres, inter-galactic trading networks, death stars, battle cruisers, blah blah blah, that's all an extension of our industrial age where humans compete for status and the affections of the opposite sex through material wealth.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 06:10:46 PM EST
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To put it another way: we haven't the slightest idea of what to look for.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 06:12:58 PM EST
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I guess what both you and Gaianne are saying is: you don't find a more advanced civilization, they find you.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 06:34:45 PM EST
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visits and radio broadcasts.  

The former are obviously unlikely, in any form we would recognize.  

The latter assume they still use radio as a means of communication, using inefficient, simple codes.  Again, if they are using radio at all, the search for information efficiency has already lead them to formats that sound to outsiders like noise.  Guess what:  The universe is full of radio noise.  

Assuming they use radio at all.  But would they?  Not if they had something better.  What would THAT be?  Well, perforce we would have no clue--as should be obvious.  

The biggest problem, though, is that we imagine them to be like us.  But if they are, they have already crashed and burned, leaving no interstellar trace but a century of rapidly fading radio modulations--which no one (being either too primitive or having already crashed) has the sensitivity to catch.  

by Gaianne on Wed May 7th, 2008 at 04:15:09 PM EST
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