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There is definitely dismissal and bullying on ET, I have lived it and not reacted well to it.  If ET can acknowledge no fault, intellectual rigidity will set in.  The regulars' opinion tends to carry more weight than it is expressed and if they deny it repeatedly, it affects participation.  

Daring a challenge, knowing that certain people will back you up online, contributes to hurt feelings, not to being right.

Second, demanding sources constantly is overrated, IMO, because it devalues our own thoughts, opinions and what develops from them. There are always sources for oppossing views and they are considered 'serious' regardless, so it becomes a battle of who can find more, or who gives up sooner.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:15:44 AM EST
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Our own thoughts are not substitutes for facts, and facts must be verifiable.

It's not about being right, it's about not accepting "because I say so" as an argument.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 10:16:23 AM EST
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But Migeru, what ET produces is not hard science, but developed thought, through study, analysis, comparison, contrast, compilation.... ET is not a scientific lab and I think the difference is mostly field semantics that should be combined into a common direction.

I take the anglo disease, or that bubblespan knew the disaster he was causing, as a 'fact' and it can hardly be put into a formula.  We also know that the ´hard fact´ numbers like GDP, employment, etc. are pretty much some government's formula-of-the-month and we take them apart into effects-on-people.

It takes all fields and I don't disregard science, yet science is not all there is and, while our thoughts and opinions may be faulty, we have ET as the backdrop to adjust, adapt and improve them, not to find what brain chemical got us on the correct path.  

Now, if you ask me about the 3 B´s, et al, I´ll tell you they should be under the microscope, in a lab to find the ´evil gene´ and destroy it.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:04:53 AM EST
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but the problem happens when people start talking about France's or Europe's "obvious economic underperformance" or America's "brilliant" economy, or France's massive unemployment, etc...

These are "facts" part of the prevailing narrative, and the kind that we have deconstructed and (i) ask others to justify when they brign them up and (ii) tend to dismiss when brought up by others because we've deconstructed them many times here and do not care to do it yet again.

Thus my hope to have access to a better library of links to our arguments, that could be brought up each time these issues pop up.

It is a problem, because the number of issues on which the conventional wisdom is deeply flawed is huge.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:10:18 AM EST
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Exactly.  Unfortunately, the opposite side also uses that language to dare and divide, so we cannot let terminology, field, or format divide us.  

We know we cannot swallow the press as fact and we try to find the reality and spread it, summarized and humanized, to reach more people.  The in-house source to link to is great to shorten answers because it does feel eternal, out here.

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:33:36 PM EST
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I take the anglo disease, or that bubblespan knew the disaster he was causing, as a 'fact' and it can hardly be put into a formula.

To ask you what evidence you have of that "fact" is not asking you for a "formula".


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 12:45:30 PM EST
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