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The Globe and Mail (Apr 26): Rage or romance?


GROZNY, Chechnya -- Amina Edieva's abductor stalked her like a seasoned predator. He approached the slender, raven-haired 18-year-old student on a Grozny side street, hoisted her off the ground in a tight bear hug and dragged her into a waiting car.

The speeding car drove past a military checkpoint manned by Chechens and Russians. The Chechen soldiers would not blink an eye, but she screamed out to the Russian soldiers. No one helped.

Nine days later, Ms. Edieva, her makeup smudged by tears, was married in a traditional Chechen ceremony where she stood alone in a corner for hours at the groom's house, forbidden to speak or sit until the elders left.

by blackhawk on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 04:59:53 AM EST
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Ah, the joys of culture.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 06:40:08 AM EST
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Why is this in the European section?

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:00:51 AM EST
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Because Russia is Europe?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:03:08 AM EST
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Is Chechnya?

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:18:43 AM EST
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Alert! Alert!

Unwritten ET issue lurking like a reef just under the water!

Don't restart the "where does Europe begin and end argument"... Please!  ;-) ;-)

(FWIW, IMO, since I'm a card carrying member of the "Turkey belongs in the EU camp, then geographically it's hard to say that you can't put Chechnya in the "greater Europe" category.)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:41:00 AM EST
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It's okay. I was actually making a different point. What I meant is the story reveals a cultural practice so barbaric, that I can't identify anything within it nor bring it close to my own understanding. By asking, 'Why is this in the European section?', it was a condemnation by marking it out as the other.

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 09:54:06 AM EST
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We agree that it is barbaric, but it isn't so far from practices that have been seen in western europe since WWII.

You only have to look at the economic situation of women in the UK prior to 1972 to see that the financial control of women's lives was pretty overt. An awful lot of public attitudes to women still rely on historical cultural ideas from a more barbaric era. Jane Austen based an entire novel on such practice.

Look at what has been happening in the Irish republic to see the control of women, the forced incarceration practically for life if they were considered immoral, ie caught having sex before marriage.

These weren't practices that were marginal but accepted, they were legally enforceable.

Honour killings have happened in this historical period in Italy and Spain. Let alone what happens in countries like the Balkan states where family relationships follow much older "traditions".

And look at what happens in the USA. A lot of that is an unreconstructed olde-tyme import from here

So, whilst it's comforting to think that we are in a civilised country and cna look at such things and shudder, it is merely our luck to live in an era where there has been a rapid change of attitudes in the last 60 years. But these behaviours aren't so far from our own culture in time or distance that we can think "not us". Attwood's Gilead is still a shadow we should fear if a future society should collapse into superstition following a post peak oil disintegration of the industrial society. "God's wrath, y'know"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 10:25:24 AM EST
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Sure, but the 'other' label is a condemnation, not an analysis.

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by Ephemera on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:01:36 AM EST
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And I suggested that it wasn't "other" at all, but represented a "logical" extension of identifiable cultural practices found in the UK and W Europe.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 11:15:36 AM EST
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It is part of Russia as of this writing.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun May 11th, 2008 at 10:13:55 AM EST
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