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will demand greater support from Germany on the international stage, especially in Iraq

I think Spiegel is off base here. While predicting U.S. misactions in the Mid East cannot be underestimated, the practical options for Obama seem perhaps two:

  • Withdraw and let the chaos begin

  • Convince U.N. or, more likely, Middle Eastern peace-keepers to help with the transition and withdraw


Eight years of hype has set the mood. The Republican supporters of the war in Iraq are crying uncle now; the last support will evaporate in November.

Yes, this goes against bi-partisan U.S. foreign policy of long standing, but when you've failed so spectacularly, your options are reduced.

by afox (afox at rockgardener dott com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 07:15:18 AM EST
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Would a withdrawal really lead to chaos? The factions seem to have been negotiating successfully without US oversight, and I don't see why that should end just because an invader has gone.

A withdrawal would lead to giving up any claim on oil or income from oil, which might lead to chaos in the US.

But that's a different issue.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 09:01:42 AM EST
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Thank you.  The parties who will control Iraq are already in place.  Muqtada_al-Sadr recently demonstrated his ability to not only raise an army to fight but also quell their offensive on his command.  The Iraqi factions have been working on their local credibility for the past two years as they realize the US will be leaving as soon as Bush is out of office.  

The "chaos" will not materialize.  Iraq as it stood previously will not survive as it never made much sense anyhow.  The real danger comes from the possible Turkish reaction to a new Kurdish state.  

Regardless, to imply that what is happening NOW in Iraq is not 'chaos' is laughable.  The truth is that people fear an islamic-based government taking over Iraq and the word "chaos" is used as a euphemism to that.  If we had a problem with that well we should have avoided deposing the secular government that was there before us.

Realistically the Iraqi's will not support a heavy-handed religious government, their society has been secular for far too long.  Muqtada_al-Sadr is not very religious for a "cleric," don't believe the hype.

by paving on Tue May 13th, 2008 at 04:00:29 PM EST
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