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"How expensive does petrol have to become before it's cheaper to buy a new car and/or move than it is to keep paying higher prices?"

In the previous energy crises in the U.S., the problem was not one of high prices but of unavailability. It didn't matter how much money you had, there simply wasn't any gas at the gas station.

In that case, the cost of a newer car is irrelevant.

by asdf on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:28:01 AM EST
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That was because the fools interfered with the very efficient gasoline market.

Price controls-> shortages.

There were no price controls during the second oil crisis in 1979, and there were no shortages either.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 07:38:53 AM EST
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Price controls without by-fiat rationing creates shortages.

But then again, absence of price controls creates by-wealth rationing.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 08:26:14 AM EST
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But without price controls you can still tax the sales and use the proceeds to support those who can't afford the product.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 08:28:04 AM EST
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If there is less stuff to go around than people wish to use, you are not going to escape rationing, one way or the other. No amount of moving funny-money around by way of tax-and-subsidise systems will make more stuff in and of itself.

So you'll get a milder form of by-wealth rationing - one in which the people who are flat out of luck are at least compensated for their being flat out of luck.

Did I miss anything?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 09:05:01 AM EST
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Rationing by price is by far the most efficient way of rationing when it comes to gasoline.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 09:28:54 AM EST
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Should we look for "efficient", or should we look for "fair"?

After all, no citizen has an innate claim to more of the stuff than any other, given that it's all imported and thus heavilty dependent on public infrastructure and institutions to be available to us...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 12:55:03 PM EST
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Let's not mix up efficiency with fairness. Gasoline is most efficiently distributed using price as the rationing variable, as are almost all goods.

Fairness we get through the progressiveness of the income tax system.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 11th, 2008 at 07:06:59 PM EST
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