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Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on the Lisbon Treaty | 340 comments (340 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on (none / 0)

Like the French non?

However, it could have been a vote against the entire EU political class that gave us this Treaty. Would that be more acceptable as a reason?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 09:57:17 AM EST
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I actually know a guy who voted no in the French referendum because he thought that a EU ruled by treaties was preferable to one ruled by democracy ; and who was wary of sharing a democracy with the Poles (he had spent some time there)...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:01:27 AM EST
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a classic nationalist position. we don't want them foreigners telling us what to do....

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:03:03 AM EST
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Re: Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on (4.00 / 2)

Exactly. But not really a vote against the political class. Actually, I'd believe part of the no vote is helped by some trust in the political classes : there's disbelief in the possibility of actually breaking up the Union ; "they'll find a way to fix it" was part of his discourse.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:06:29 AM EST
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Pretty much none of the No campaigners would admit to being anti-EU. In fact, "We can get a better deal" was explicitly part of the campaign. Many of them are, in fact, anti-EU on principle, but they couldn't say that.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:07:51 AM EST
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"I suspect that many of them are, in fact, anti-EU on principle"

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:08:19 AM EST
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yep - if I'm going to be ruled by the ruling class I want it to be MY ruling class, not theirs.... There is also quite an authoritarian, anti-democratic streak in the make-up of many nationalists

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:09:29 AM EST
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Indeed, there was clearly an authoritarian streak in him (very annoyingly, as he was a flatmate). There is no perception of a EU ruling class which could build identification for those people.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:13:20 AM EST
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In the absence of compelling reasons to vote yes any of a number of variously wacky reasons will push enough people to vote no.

So the problem is the lack of compelling reasons to vote yes. Just making life easier for the politicians when they want to make things happen in Brussels is not compelling for anyone other than the politicians.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:09:43 AM EST
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Thanks mig - so good you said it thrice - you trying to push this into the most commented threads hit list?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:12:56 AM EST
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Looks like getting there won't be all that hard. All ET activity (all four of us right now) is on this thread. (points and winks at his diary).

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:14:35 AM EST
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Forget I said this - Migs comment above appeared triplicated on my screen, but the duplicates have now disappeared. Is he a super-user or what!

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:18:21 AM EST
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Re: Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on (none / 0)

Before you go all paranoid, I note comments #160 and #162 exist and are yours, so there must have been no deleted comments - maybe your browser froze on scrolldown.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:27:06 AM EST
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(Or Mig deleted them before you posted #162.)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:28:31 AM EST
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Re: Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on (none / 1)

Or I must have deleted two comments before #160 was posted.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:29:44 AM EST
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I knew you were a super-user with super powers operating at super speed. That must be how you can comment simultaneously on 63 threads in 14 different languages and hold 4 nationalities all at the same time. This is a twin speed blog, and the rest of us are on the slow lane...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:36:57 AM EST
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Now THAT has been my experience of Mig, too...

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:51:44 AM EST
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Re: Early voting brisk in the Irish Referendum on (4.00 / 3)

Indeed, I saw his comment move around from above to below yours. Not the first time I noticed, too. (Compulsive ET addict, me ? Noooo !)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:31:38 AM EST
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