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The new treaty has an actual mechanism: I don't  believe Nice did.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 04:14:04 AM EST
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That is correct.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 04:17:27 AM EST
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I always found that discussion curious. The rules for withdrawal would be set by customary international law. Anyway, see wikipedia:

Denunciation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Article 42 of The Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties states that "termination of a treaty, its denunciation or the withdrawal of a party, may take place only as a result of the application of the provisions of the treaty or of the present Convention"[1]. Article 56 states that if a treaty does not provide for denunciation, withdrawal, or termination, it is not subject to denunciation or withdrawal unless:

  • it is established that the parties intended to admit the possibility of denunciation or withdrawal; or
  • a right of denunciation or withdrawal may be implied by the nature of the treaty.

Any withdrawal under Article 56 requires 12 months' notice.

The Vienna Convention does not apply to all nations; the United States, for instance, is not a Party [2]. This makes it unclear exactly how much notice the U.S. must give when withdrawing from treaties lacking a termination clause. For example, on March 7, 2005, the U.S. announced that it was withdrawing from the Consular Convention's Optional Protocol Concerning the Compulsory Settlement of Disputes, a treaty that lacks a termination clause.


A treaty arranging membership in an organisation could have a naturally implied right of withdrawal.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 04:33:45 AM EST
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Customary law is generally an entertaining little minefield.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 05:39:34 AM EST
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Yes, but it is how law generally, and international law in particular, develops.  Treaties and Legislation are a process of formalising a consensus which forms through custom and practice.  There was and is nothing in law to prevent a country leaving the EU - except the opprobrium of its peers - and whatever influence they can bring to bear.  As always, power is the hidden hand behind many legal processes, balanced only by the fact that a law applied to the weak must (in theory) also be applied to the powerful.  Hence if the US legitimises  torture - the international community cannot really stop it.  What will stop it is a belated realisation in the US is that what goes around, comes around, and it will be in a much more difficult for the US to protect its citizens from torture elsewhere in the future.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 05:58:11 AM EST
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Thanks, I didn't know about the Law of Treaties.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 05:45:20 AM EST
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