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Irishhead is right, though, the political class are a failure, and not only in Ireland.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 06:21:50 AM EST
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Partially true. It's also true that democracy just doesn't work in the face of media control and manipulation: those parts of the media not controlled by the No camp have been manipulated by the "equal time" requirement - broadcasters are required to give the Yes and No sides equal time, which means in this case that a very small number of individuals had the opportunity to scatter whatever misinformation they felt like. Misinformation takes more time to debunk than it takes to spread, especially when it feeds into pre-existing biases.

The problem was that there were a dozen spurious reasons to vote No, and very few compelling ones to vote yes, and that the main political parties fumbled the whole thing anyway, have been fumbling the whole thing for a decade or more.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 06:28:29 AM EST
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Colman:
the main political parties fumbled the whole thing anyway, have been fumbling the whole thing for a decade or more.
Europe-wide since at least 1995.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 06:32:01 AM EST
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Yup.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 06:32:31 AM EST
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Colman:
It's also true that democracy just doesn't work in the face of media control and manipulation

Yep.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:29:07 AM EST
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i imagine the same sentence turned around_

media control and manipulation doesn't work in a democracy, redefining democracy a little perhaps!

simply giving un- or misinformed people a vote is not full democracy, methinks, and if people are allowed and encouraged to follow, observe, critique and participate more, (which is happening at a rapid rate), then politicians get away with spinning and psywarring, and the public are continually buying a pig in a poke.

an uninvolved electorate is a sign of luxury in a society, that things are going so (sink or) swimmingly in material terms that people cast but a shallow lookaround at the big wheels turning overhead.

in harder (and better informed) times, i think politicians will have to be a lot more real and accountable, cognitive dissonance is already at snapping point,recent world events making it ever more obvious how much we've been played for fools.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 10:29:15 AM EST
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and if people are allowed and encouraged to follow, observe, critique and participate more,

oops, i meant until people...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jun 14th, 2008 at 10:36:57 AM EST
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