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I don't know about that. I'll look. But the left No campaigners were highly critical of those groups, LIBERTAS in particular, who were campaigning from a right perspective and had no problem questioning their motivations. It was not a case of my enemy's enemy is my friend.

This is interesting on that front: About the possibility that this was a colour revolution job: http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87311

by irishhead on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 06:59:13 AM EST
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I did a couple of stories on the astroturfing as well.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:03:47 AM EST
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Looks a very comprehensive piece on Libertas - I'll read it when I get a moment - the Irish Times refused to publish letters linking Ganly to the US security/defence establishment from myself and Colman

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:11:58 AM EST
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Though they did do a piece later on about it.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:13:40 AM EST
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Any chance of getting that sort of indymedia content cross-posted here?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:42:37 AM EST
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Better to link to it when it's interesting. Most of the Indymedia stuff isn't, as far as I'm concerned.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:43:21 AM EST
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What, they're too strident and we're serious people?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 07:56:34 AM EST
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Yup, that's just what I meant.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:05:48 AM EST
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I'll make a point in future of posting summaries and links to the best indymedia ireland material with european relevance in future in the daily threads. Used to do some crossposting of stuff from there to here about the Shell/Statoil situation in Mayo and Hill of Tara issue.

Indymedia overall is a great resource for seeing what left campaigners are doing on the ground. There are sites in most European countries and they are very strong in south-america.

by irishhead on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:16:41 AM EST
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You can do that in the daily Salon, in the Open Thread, or write a diary around quotes.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:23:40 AM EST
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That's a very good article, but I would say that, wouldn't I, being French.

Indymedia Ireland: Libertas: US Military Contractors Against Lisbon!

Firstly, from the above, it is clear that they do not hold the positions that Libertas has raised against Lisbon. They simply aren't pacifist, pro-lifer, fundamentalist democrats. It is also clear, from their willingness to use scaremongering about abortion and tax harmonisation, that they are trying to maximise the No vote and don't really care on what basis people reject the treaty. The use of arguments that are directly contradictory to one another is convincing evidence of this.

So, why are they trying to defeat Lisbon? Given their intimate relationship with the US intelligence and military community, it is reasonable to ask whether this might provide any clues to their underlying motives. And it proves to be a fairly fruitful avenue of enquiry. In order to properly understand the context, we must briefly touch upon the major strategic divide amongst the world's business and political elite on matters European.

To put it simply, there are two visions of European integration amongst the Western elite. One of them sees the EU as a common market, lacking any real political component beyond whatever is needed to keep the wheels of competition well-oiled and lacking any capacity for autonomous strategic action. The other vision is of a European super-state, with sovereignty over the member states and the ability to take collective and coherent military and strategic actions on the global stage.



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:08:08 AM EST
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Migeru:
That's a very good article, but I would say that, wouldn't I, being French.

A Spaniard living in Britain who wants to be French?  So what have you got against being Irish?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:25:19 AM EST
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I don't want to be French, but those people on Atlantic Review think I am :-P

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:27:29 AM EST
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French is the new communism.  Ireland is the new 51st. state of the neo-con US world order.  I can see why you don't want to be Irish.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:32:55 AM EST
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French is the new communism

Interesting insight.

We need a neologism now :
What about "neocommie" ? maybe "neocomm" ?

by balbuz on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 10:27:08 AM EST
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Neocom sounds good - sort of a polar opposite to the neo-cons.  Althusser lives!

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jun 13th, 2008 at 08:27:56 PM EST
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