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How much of maths can be taught between 18 and 24 ? Because although law or economics seem to be eminently teachable to 18 years old, a maths-oriented mind - which requires much more than numeracy - needs to be trained from much earlier, I'd guess. And Maths still is useful in many fields - from finance to engineering. Pulling maths out of the core would mean it would be much harder to get those scientist properly trained at the end of their education. Look at how many quantitative analysts come from France...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 12:50:43 PM EST
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I suppose you could do something like
  • 6 years of basic numeracy (but get it right! - this is about acquiring the math as a language, not about what you do with math) in primary school
  • 3 years of discrete mathematics (basic probability and statistics, problem-solving, algorithms - which would introduce the basics of algebra, geometry and analysis as well, but informally) for everyone, and then
  • 3 years of higher math (linear algebra, calculus, geometry) for those on a science track.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:01:00 PM EST
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Which is essentially how it is done in France. Halas, the second part focuses more on geometry and algebra rather than probabilities and algorithms...

And of course, the science track is so much more prestigious than all the cool kids who want to do political science, commerce, law, often take it...

Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 05:58:10 AM EST
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linca:
Look at how many quantitative analysts come from France...
The fact that the job market for mathematicians is pretty much reduced to finance should be worrying. Maybe Jenkins is right and it's not such a useful discipline...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:04:50 PM EST
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I had a pretty solid pre-college math background (IB Maths Higher), and went into college as a physics major. And while I was an abject failure at that (partly talent, partly inclination), there was no shortage of people with very good math skills. Almost all of them ended up either in IT, or in business, or in law. (For non Americans - in the US law is a post-graduate field - first you study something else, anything you want, then after university you apply to law programs. Medicine is similar though you need to take a few science classes in college. Also, the US undergraduate experience is much more flexible than the European one)
by MarekNYC on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:10:42 PM EST
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I suspect that says more about the current job market than it does about mathematics.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:23:54 PM EST
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Or mathematicians for that matter.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:30:52 PM EST
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It's not the job market. Scientists still think it's the 50s, and science matters.

It doesn't.

Musicians still think it's the 60s-80s, and music matters.

It doesn't.

All that matters now is finance, with law as a footnote. Finance is the field which has cannibalised all of the talent which could be doing something useful with its time. It's the new rock 'n roll.

No one cares about research or engineering any more. Funding is being cut. A few months from now there will be the usual outcry about how badly the UK is doing compared to other countries, but funding will continue to be cut all the same.

You don't need science for a service economy. You just need people who can smile and nod and rob you blind, and science isn't the ideal training for that.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 01:44:10 PM EST
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is to understand what a % is.

Seriously. It's surprising how few people do.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jun 17th, 2008 at 02:06:38 PM EST
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