Why Ireland Voted No. | 66 comments (66 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Yep, but do they know what Nice entails? I think it would be more accurate to describe that vote as a vote for the status quo - thinking that a No vote changes nothing. However if it inspires a nicean twin speed EU they will be disappointed, won't they? Part of the trick of winning this the next time around is to be much clearer about the downside attaching to a no vote.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 08:27:01 AM EST
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Say I give you a closed envelope containing a cheque.

Now I come back and ask you whether you'd like to trade the old envelope for a new one. The new one contains more money. Honest.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 08:40:47 AM EST
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All depends on whether I trust you....

But what is contained in the original envelope will become much clearer to everyone as the EU continues to evolve - perhaps on a twin track basis - and people realise they are losing their commissioner anyway - and the economy continues to slide - and Croatians complain at the Irish shutting the door on them - and the EU fails to respond effectively to all manner of global crises - and...and...

So what is Ireland getting for a halving of it's relative weighted majority voting weight? ... remind me ... maybe this NO vote is not such a bad idea after all....

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 09:29:24 AM EST
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Maybe next time around the EU will try the Penrose method for qualified majority voting...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:32:31 AM EST
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the square root of half nothing? - Only Poland wants it...

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:07:56 AM EST
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Interestingly, according to wikipedia the voting weights under the treaty of Nice are approximately the same as the Penrose weights, already.

I can think of two reasonable motives why nobody wanted it: one, they were sick of the delays in the ratification of the treaties over voting rights (which is why the EU-15 didn't manage to ratify in time and Poland got a say in the first place); nobody likes the Polish twins.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:15:18 AM EST
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"Nobody likes the Polish Twins" (none / 0)

Can be added to the ET jargonary, along with PNing and strange goings-on in Malta. ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:25:18 AM EST
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which mean? (none / 0)

is that why the Twin Track approach is so unpopular?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:36:55 AM EST
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'Send in the clones...'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:38:25 AM EST
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Why Ireland Voted No. | 66 comments (66 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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