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'Bugs' are used to clean up pulp/paper factory water waste, which is put in outdoor pools and the waste water constantly aerated. Aerobic bacteria digest the biological waste. But this is simply an acceleration of a natural process by optimizing the environment of the bacteria.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 08:57:46 AM EST
I am not saying that this is impossible. I am not arguing that bugs might not be there that can help fill (part of) the liquid fuel demand.  I am not ...

What I am cautioning against is impassioned seizing on a single item (nuclear power; solar power; etc ...) as somehow the magic bullet that will solve all of our (mutual) problems.

Truth be told, this is generally not a problem in this highly literate and thoughtful community.  While still relevant (I think) for EuroTrib, far less likely to see massively positive responses to "this is the solution" posts here.  

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 10:57:30 AM EST
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I still don't understand how this is carbon-negative.

Especially when you start massively turning organic waste (which counts as a carbon repository) and burning it.

There was a nuclear advocate around these parts who used to argue that growing trees, pulping them for paper and then dumping the paper into a landfill instead of recycling it is a form of carbon capture.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:04:28 AM EST
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Whatever happened to Cold fusion  - my favourite silver bullet of all time?

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:12:39 AM EST
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The bullet stopped cold...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:16:30 AM EST
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Just read up on in - apparently research is ongoing but hampered by lack of mainstream scientific acceptance because there is no theory to explain the results.  What I have not been able to find out is whether the observed effects are significant enough to create a worthwhile energy source in any case - it seems we are talking about very marginal unexplained effects - not an energy bonanza of any sort.

"It's a mystery to me - the game commences, For the usual fee - plus expenses, Confidential information - it's in my diary..."
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:32:25 AM EST
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It wasn't me, but there are very good LCC Life Cycle Cost arguments for centralized burning of waste paper for heat/energy generation, using the latest non-carbon air releasing burner/scrubber technologies.

The energy balance costs of transporting waste paper for burning to regional centres beat de-inking energy costs for recycled paper (that can endure the process max 5 -7 times and still produce optically efficient paper.

The recent results of the major Finnish paper producers are nasty. They are in deep trouble. Meanwhile the unused fibre stock of plantation Finland grows by some 70 million cubic metres annually.

Trees anyone?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 11:16:54 AM EST
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I am going to put 'words into their mouth', as I don't see this discussion there.

A hypothetical: The biomass is carbon rich, the bug transforms that biomass/carbon into liquid fuel but not with 100% efficiency. There is 'waste' biomass.  That waste biomass could be charcoaled and used as soil enrichment (re biochar). That biochar would be profitable (improving soil productivity) while capturing the carbon on centuries+ time scale. That sort of 'maybe' creates the potential for a carbon-negative lifecycle for this process.

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by a siegel (siegeadATgmailIGNORETHISdotPLEASEcom) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 12:16:44 PM EST
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Reading the news article ... it sounds like "it is if it is". That is, if the feedstock is produced in a carbon negative way, its carbon negative (since it doesn't seem like a heat intensive process, and since something chemically similar to crude oil won't require the distilling of alcohol).

Obviously, if the feedstock is produced in a carbon positive, unsustainable way, that approach to producing the biomass is unsustainable.

Obviously, if you burn down rainforest to get the feedstock, that's not likely to be carbon negative ... the un-sustainability of cutting down rain forest for palm oil plantations for European biodiesel is just as unsustainable even if you double or triple the EROI or get ten times the yield per acre.


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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Wed Jun 18th, 2008 at 09:55:21 PM EST
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