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I don't see it happening. To convince the East Central European states to stop being Atlanticist the EU would have to provide a substitute for the American alliance, both structurally and rhetorically. That would hurt EU-Russian relations. The problem is that those most interested in ending the Atlanticist model, like Jerome, are also the most unwilling to pay the price required to do so in terms of poorer EU-Russian relations. The Schroeder-Chirac stance that Jerome likes was just as effective in reinforcing Atlanticist sentiment in the new member states as the Bush-Rumsfeld one was in undermining it in old ones. There ain't no free lunch.
by MarekNYC on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:08:45 PM EST
What can Russia do to make it possible for Western Europe to improve EU-Russia relations?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:11:15 PM EST
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Simple and low cost - return to the rhetorical stance of the Yeltsin era concerning the Soviet past - a consistent policy of lots of condemnation, apologies, and regret. However, my impression is that neither the general population nor the elites have any desire to do so.
by MarekNYC on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:19:14 PM EST
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But they're not Zhirinovski either.

However, Western Europe cannot convince Russia that it is in their interest to have good relations - they have to come to that conclusion themselves.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:40:25 PM EST
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Bend over.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:42:57 PM EST
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Right, that's what "sound like Yeltsin" is going to look like to Russians.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 01:45:39 PM EST
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to which I have no answer.

Unless we manage to build enough windfarms in Poland and Lithuania so that they only need Russian gas marginally!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 06:54:48 PM EST
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Windfarm heat? I believe most of Poland's electricity comes from coal, and the natural gas is used mainly for heat.

More seriously, what I had in mind is a substitute NATO made up of EU members - i.e. a formal institutionalized military alliance. Rhetoric matters too. In practical terms Merkel's policies haven't been that different from Schroeder's, but her tone has been. That didn't help much with the hardline PiS government, but it is paying dividends now that the less Russophobe and Germanophobe moderates are in power. Contrast that to the tensions between the equally moderate SLD government and Germany during the Schroeder years.

by MarekNYC on Fri Jun 20th, 2008 at 09:19:25 PM EST
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At some point Poland is going to have to learn to live with its neighbours, to the East and to the West. Clearly the PiS is incapable of that.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 05:49:00 AM EST
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Electric heat pumps and district heating.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 01:43:52 PM EST
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Socialist!

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 21st, 2008 at 01:45:39 PM EST
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I don't see it happening. To convince the East Central European states to stop being Atlanticist the EU would have to provide a substitute for the American alliance, both structurally and rhetorically.

ECE is a net recipient of EU funds. Assuming political will existed, some pretty serious arm twisting could be applied to make them stop acting like total morons.

And ultimately, when push comes to shove, ECE can't choose to be in the American sphere of influence. They have to choose between Moscow and Berlin/Brussels. For geographic reasons if nothing else. What we need is for them to have a Suez moment. Or rather, for someone from Western Europe to have them a Suez moment.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 04:03:44 PM EST
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