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All we have to be able to do is ... defend our own territorial integrity.

Does that include maintaining air superiority? How likely is that in a serious shooting war?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 04:31:35 PM EST
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It involves preventing the enemy from acquiring it, and preferably being able to support your own troops with tactical air strikes more than half of the time, while preventing the enemy from doing the same thing.

Against a great power, it is unlikely to be possible without the kind of military buildup that would endanger our political system. But since we won't be starting any wars with the other great powers (right?), we don't really need to be able to win such a war. We just have to be able to make it too expensive for them to bother.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 05:22:00 AM EST
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We just have to be able to make it too expensive for them to bother.
This is a dangerous policy which is based on an axiom the 20th century showed, time after time, is completely wrong. Namely that governments always act in a rational way.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:03:18 AM EST
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So MAD doesn't work?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 11:11:49 AM EST
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It works 99 % of the time. Which is not good enough and which means we must strive to abolish nuclear weapons in the long run.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:37:57 AM EST
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After all, nuclear weapons have been around just 60 years and we have already almost blown ourselves up at least three times.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 06:39:18 AM EST
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Yes, but additional military buildup is not going to significantly mitigate the consequences of the remaining 1 %, so there is no reason to bother with it and quite a lot of reasons to not build up the ability to project power beyond our own territory and our allies'.

And I am not sure that completely abolishing nukes is necessary, even if it might be desirable. Cutting down the aggregate global stockpile to less than 50 megaton should be sufficient. Fifty megaton would hurt badly if they were used, but if you assume that one megaton creates roughly one megadeath (1 million dead) it would not be worse than a major shooting war between two great powers using 21st cent. conventional weapons (by way of comparison, the Soviet theatre of WWII is estimated at between 20 and 100 megadeath depending on how you count and who you ask, IIRC).

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Jun 25th, 2008 at 07:22:35 AM EST
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Nobody is going to win WWIII. The best you can hope for is to lose the least.

If any of the great powers is determined to make us bleed, there is nothing we can do to avoid bleeding. We can make them bleed in return, but in a 21 cent. war between even moderately industrialised countries with population above a quarter billion, everybody loses. Except the war profiteers.

So if we spend a lot of money building up our military to defeat an irrational invasion, we have wasted our money, because Europe is going to be a smoking ruin after the war anyway. The best we can do is build up enough to deter a rational invasion.

And be sure to remind everyone how successful the biggest, nastiest military machine the planet has ever seen has been so far in subduing the third- and fourth-world countries that it invaded. The record from Viet Nam to Vietraq kinda speaks for itself...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 12:12:58 PM EST
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