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I don't see why it won't be read. The Salon is mostly news and analysis thereof, the OT for other discussions, interactions.

For example, even yesterday when the OT was pronounced DOA, it got 68 comments (not huge, OK, but not dead either). The Salon (from yesterday evening) now stands at 128.

I think people will get used to it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 09:14:49 AM EST
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The Open Thread will hopefully remain "open" in the sense that people can talk about whatever they feel like bringing up, even (God forbid) the US elections.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 09:21:15 AM EST
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Sure.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 10:05:17 AM EST
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even (God forbid) the US elections.

'sfunny but in the last year with the primaries US politics has become a little one-dimensional.

Even now, the run up to Novmber is gonna be dull cos I just can't see Obama losing.

Normal interest will be resumed in Feb 2009, when the "civility" stops and all the closets are opened and the skeletons come tumbling out. Given the offenses you'd like to think that tumbrils might roll but I bet nobody will even get a mild ticking off,  Anyway the US has a Constitution and a legal system to restore and a system of government to rebuild and that'll be fun. The blogs will be full of it (sic) in the years to come. Retribution can wait.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 10:48:36 AM EST
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I can see Obama losing.

I don't think it's likely, but it's not impossible.

There's no sign yet that Hillary is willing to do the right thing, and it's not yet clear that she won't try to take him down by pushing her voters in McLame's direction.

She seems more interested in histrionics and press attention than in a Dem win in the autumn, so she could easily turn into even more of a nightmare than she's been already.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 11:52:13 AM EST
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My worry is less to do with Hillary at this point than with combating years of propaganda that has built the Myth of St John.  Hillary's letting her advance staffers go, which points pretty strongly to her giving up, since advance staffers are kind of a necessity for the GE.  She's spending tomorrow night in NYC, while Obama's going to St Paul to harass the Reps at their convention site.

In any event, she's almost irrelevant at this point.  It's a long way to November, and I have little doubt the supporters of hers that we need -- the crazies were never going to vote for him, because they believe he stole "the girl's spot" -- will come around.

She got her ass kicked at the RBC meeting, which basically turned into an all-day (and highly entertaining) "Let's Beat the Snot Out of Harold Ickes" Party.  And her "10,000+" protest push brought a whopping three hundred or so people (most of them apparently from Upstate New York).

Do I think it's likely Obama loses?  No.  In fact, he's in much better shape than I feared he'd be a month or two ago.  But, yes, it's certainly possible.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 12:05:59 PM EST
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I think that after Wednesday she can say what she likes, no Democrat will pay any attention. Oh sure the tradmed will play it up cos they think it'll be fun but I think Dem talking heads will just play it down and move on.

I see a really big attack on McCain coming, the guy is so completely vulnerable that some of it even makes it into the papers, despite the barbecue set. I dunno, maybe I'm too confident but the idea that somebody with so many negatives becoming president is preposterous. Not even Bush was this obviously unsuited till he got to the White House.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 12:16:03 PM EST
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The truth is that she can either concede or be forced out.  Any fighting beyond this week is going to be shut down by her own superdelegates.

Bill Clinton seems to know the end is near today.

Hopefully they've got religion on it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 02:03:23 PM EST
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There's no sign yet that Hillary is willing to do the right thing

Actually, a flood of news reports are coming in this afternoon.  Clinton's calling her backers and donors to New York City tomorrow for her speech.  The campaign has told staff to turn in their outstanding expense receipts.  And the advance staff are being told they're done, and to come to New York as well.

She and Obama apparently spoke last night about Obama helping her to retire her campaign debt (about $30m I'd guess) by doing fundraisers with her here and there, and he apparently agreed to lend a hand to some of her black congressional supporters who are being challenged in primaries for not supporting Obama as superdelegates.

Take all that, and then add Wasserman-Schwartz's, Rendell's and Vilsack's comments.

It does sound like she's planning to suspend her campaign tomorrow night.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 04:05:40 PM EST
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