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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 09:22:11 AM EST
The pdf -s 29 pages. The shorter Krugman article is here

Still, there's an important residual difference, probably due to the U.S. absence of border issues, more market incentives (yes, markets are sometimes great -- but they should be seen as a tool, not an object of religious devotion), and maybe other factors.

Certainly in the UK feight just doesn't have to go so far, and so the time factor of loading and unloading become significant in terms of times. also, bulk items such as coal (which Krugman mentions) are usually just transported a few miles to power stations which were deliberately built near the coalfield.

Also, N europe has an extensive industrial canal network which is wide/deep large enough for goods to be trans-shipped by coaster from country to country without unloading to trains.

But I'm sure Dodo has a more sophisticated answer

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 09:44:32 AM EST
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Freight is measured in kilometer-tons. When your railways are massively used to carry coal over very long distances, you quickly clock up huge numbers.

With Europe much smaller, using less coal and being able also to use river transport for a lot of bulky commodities, it creates a big difference.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 10:45:53 AM EST
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There's talk of the revival of lake transport in Finland - barges and ships can travel long distances in central Finland - the main problem being passage through the Saimaa canal to the Baltic, part of which is controlled by Russia. There is a 50 year lease expiring in 2013 and negotiations are underway to renew it. But the Russian control has meant that inland to Baltic Gulf traffic has been largely undeveloped.

The lake system extends right up to Kuopio.

I once did the Varkkaus-Lappeenranta part in an old 1913 wood-fired steamship, with a barge of birch log fuel pulled alongside. It was a fantastic experience (trip taken for a movie) but a highly recommended tourist experience in the summer - if you have the time.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 11:12:10 AM EST
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Out west there are dedicated trains that shuttle coal between mines and power plants, but I've also seen mile-long trains carrying nothing but piggybacked containers.

With no bridges or tunnels to create problems moving containers from ports to the interior is very cost effective. This doesn't work so well in the east, where containers can only be stacked one high.

It's my impression that containerized shipping is less popular in Europe for interior transport. Is this true?

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by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 12:52:48 PM EST
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rdf:
It's my impression that containerized shipping is less popular in Europe for interior transport. Is this true?

I can only speak for the River Rhine, but in my opinion there is heavy trafic on the river. in 2005 I spend a few days in Koblenz and had a window out on the river and could see that all day long there where more or less two continues lines of ships going up and down the river.

I do live within a 10 min walk of the last lock of the Rhine, after that no more shiping is possble. Even on a weekend, you rarely have to wait longer than 10 minutes for a ship to arrive.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 01:17:20 PM EST
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But the Rhine is hardly representative for Europe. About 80% of European inland waterway fright is on the Rhine.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:02:33 PM EST
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freight ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 03:28:04 PM EST
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Can you cite figures? The Danube also carries a lot, or has carried (well the 1999 bombing of Serbia had a major impact there). I imagine the Volga and the Donetsk carry some, too.

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by DoDo on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 01:28:20 PM EST
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I read it in print newspaper and I'm not sure if I still have it. So it could be EU instead of Europe.

On the other hand Rhine even means proximity to quite a lot of people in Europe, e.g. Benelux, quite a part of Germany (and especially the heavy industry part), up to Switzerland, and e.g. in Spain, UK and Italy many people life close to the coast, so that waterway inner country transport may not be so import.

I think in the article was something about the Danube, too. There is a part of the Danube in Germany, where the upgrading to a waterway was not the highest standard and it is currently not planned. Environmentalists don't want that further upgrading, either, after all changing a river is quite an interference with the river as a biotope.

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by Martin (weiser.mensch(at)googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2008 at 07:37:29 PM EST
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Well, in Europe there is a system for containertransport on rivers and canals.
In Belgium, government invested in terminals for watertransported containers, and subsidised building the smaller ships (for about 80 containers).

For instance: where I live here (small town) the nearest terminal is about 25km away. There is a daily incoming/outgoing service which makes it possible to reach every container terminal in Europe (of course there is regrouping...)

This is new, and expanding fast. 5 years ago(startup) our terminal had 10 containers daily, now there are over 200.

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by Elco B (elcob at scarlet dot be) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 02:16:19 PM EST
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A sound analysis, naming all the factors I have named earlier. But I disagree totally with its recommendation for deregulation [fourth policy factor named], and disagree with its weights.

The study finds geographic differences as the most important factor (explaining 80% of the difference), and on the rest, they speculate that priority to passenger transport is most important, followed by interoperability. I think

  1. interoperability is a crucial factor, scheduling around passenger trains less so,
  2. interoperability also influences the geographic patterns of transport -- e.g., would railfreight run much freeer across borders, there would be greater long-distance cargo flows overall, not just on railways.


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by DoDo on Mon Jun 2nd, 2008 at 02:30:37 PM EST
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