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This means that the refiners don't feel they can raise their asking price for refined products, which means that there isn't an unreasonable profit margin being made between refiners and distributors.
Well, maybe that means they are already fleecing the distributors, but since HiD claims refiners are not making a lot of money (and Starvid brings up the "narrow crack spreads"), it would seem the refiners' margins are in fact not huge.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 09:43:47 AM EST
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More like infinitesmal.

Check the development of the shares of the two big refiners Tesoro and Valero.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:03:58 AM EST
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Don't cry too much for them.  And their situation is very different from an Asian refiner designed for max diesel.

NYMEX heat   July 3.8, Dec 3.95/gallon
NYMEX gas    July 3.45 Dec 3.3/gallon
WTI             136.8      137.1/bbl

Heat cracks are    $23/bbl prompt and $29 for winter.  That's plenty!  
gas is lower    $8/ $1.5

That's the problem for US refiners designed for max mogas like Valero and Tesoro.        

by HiD on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 06:24:07 PM EST
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Eh, I should have known...

The people at the Preem/Scanraff in Lysekil invested huge $$$ in equipment to turn Russian heavy/sour into sulfur-free diesel. They are swimming in money now.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jun 24th, 2008 at 10:49:15 AM EST
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