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discounting AH.  Just not enough to make it work for a mediocre refinery.  Saudi see no reason to line refiner's pockets with "their" money by pricing to fuel oil economics.  Even so, $13/bbl discount is pretty huge.

People don't realize just how much money was spent to make Ultra low sulfur diesel.  It was huge.  Trying to just ram AH into the refining system is just not doable in the modern world where you can't just burn any old shit.  

by HiD on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 05:23:01 AM EST
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to make it worthwhile for refineries, given, as you note, their current production requirements.

So: still too expensive.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 06:12:55 AM EST
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as you well know.

Would you install a wind turbine if there was a user who could only profitably buy the power at 2 cts/kwhr?  If not, why would you expect the Saudis to price AH at WTI - $30 just so fuel oil could replace nat gas in thermal power plants at the margin and thereby trash the price of the rest of the bbls?

by HiD on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 06:44:33 AM EST
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Why would you expect the Saudis to price AH at WTI-$30 just so fuel oil could replace nat gas in thermal power plants at the margin and thereby trash the price of the rest of the bbls?
Are there other sellers (other than the Saudis) of Arab Heavy or similar, who sell it more cheaply?
by Ralph on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 11:00:09 AM EST
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Maya from Mexico is similar.  Some California Heavies are as bad.  Iranian Heavy is more like Arab Medium.

No idea how those are pricing, but the domestic bbls will be owned by the oil cos who will always use their own bbls first.  Gotta put them somewhere.  Mexico probably has their Maya sales termed up (sales for a year committed both ways with prices floating off the market).  Saudi has customers with contracts but they are more flexible about nominations with reasonable limits.  I'm no expert here and it's been a long time since I sat next to the crude traders.  Things may be different now.

by HiD on Mon Jun 23rd, 2008 at 06:09:54 PM EST
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