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No, of course we don't need it.

There question is logistic, not strategic: how long will it take to retrofit the entire's world food production system to feed 8+ bil people?  Can it be done quickly enough if oil continues on a hyperbolic tragectory?

by snowmizuh on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 12:19:29 PM EST
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No, we will continue to have a big chunk of the global population that starves. What else is new?

Perhaps to answer this question we would need to know the energy intensivity of food production for various locations around the globe. Obviously western food is produced with huge oil-supported infrastructure. I'm not so sure about Africa and the Far East, though...

by asdf on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 12:26:35 PM EST
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I doubt much has changed in the past four or five years in African farming, and four to five years ago I looked at data (that might have been a year or two out of date, of course) about what different farming styles are optimised for.

European and American farming is optimised for greatest output per man-hour. Japanese farming is optimised for greatest output pr. area. African farming is optimised for greatest output pr. calorie of input.

I.o.w. after the oil crash, Africa will not be any more screwed than usually on the food front (or at least not due to a sudden need to scale back oil use in agriculture). Japan (and presumably much of China, which I expect to be a cross between African-style and Japanese-style farming) will be able to convert, but it may hurt. Europe and the US needs to start last decade. Fortunately, we still have superior infrastructure to pretty much anywhere else in the world, and a substantial industrial base to start from (Europe more so than the US, of course, but compared to rural China it's still pretty good).

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 03:03:58 PM EST
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The hyperbolic trajectory is a price trajectory - production has been flat for about 4 years and could well stay essentially flat for a number of years.

The hyperbolic price trajectory may ensure that we get to work on the logistics while we can still produce 90 million barrels a day.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 12:26:51 PM EST
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