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it is obvious that it's not having an effect on prices

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it is not obvious that it's having an effect on prices

are not the same. I wrote the second, you claim I wrote the first. Nice attempt at putting the burden of proof on me.


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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 06:02:35 AM EST
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No, I'm raising the first as a question. I'm trying to establish if you believe the it to be true, and if so, why. If not, I'm trying to work out where the uncertainty is.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 07:56:21 AM EST
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I don't know, but stand by my 'it's not obvious that speculation plays a role' line.

Here's another interesting graph showing the lack of elasticity of oil demand (not sure what the 3 lines goign through it are, though):



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 09:18:14 AM EST
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That looks more like the supply curve than the demand curve.  Sure you've got that right?

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 09:26:01 AM EST
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That is production, you are right.

But production = consumption.

While we have data on "production capacity" and so can look at the supply "slack" (or lack thereof, at present) there's no equivalent data for "demand".

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 09:32:27 AM EST
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pretty much:



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 09:46:02 AM EST
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Pretty much, too...



When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jun 27th, 2008 at 09:48:55 AM EST
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I completely disagree with the theory that energy demand is inflexible. It is entirely a function of how you choose the scale of your graph.

So far the practical price of energy has hardly changed at all. When gasoline costs $25 a gallon there will obviously be a reduction in demand.

For example, suppose I own a gigantic SUV. If I sell it I'll get enough money to cover about 1/3 the price of a new hybrid (or 1/2 the price of a new conventional compact car), but with a new car I will have to pay a big registration tax and will have to have collision insurance coverage. The savings in fuel cost simply don't cover the extra cost of having a new car.

Plus, my SUV can carry more stuff and go off the road and is more intimidating on the highway and is preceived as being safer. The argument simply doesn't work out when the cost of fuel only doubles.

by asdf on Sat Jun 28th, 2008 at 12:01:19 PM EST
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