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There's actually a pretty disturbing trend of even younger children bringing knives to school "for protection" against bullying and such. Have you bothered comparing the number of deaths of teenagers by stabbing in Paris and London?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 01:39:19 AM EST
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I've read that the number of stabbings in an average year (over the last 20 years or so) is about 26, 18 so far this year.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 04:06:52 AM EST
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Is that stabbings of teenagers?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 04:21:54 AM EST
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Yes.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 04:36:14 AM EST
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Nationwide or in London?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 at 04:49:00 AM EST
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how 20 cases of anything are sufficient to drive headlines and policy in a 60 million people country?

There's more  people slipping and dying in their bathroom each year. Or struck by lighting. Or beaten to death by their companion/husband.

Jeez.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 05:09:11 PM EST
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The evidence seems to suggest that very large numbers of urban kids are now carrying knives. That does appear to be a worrying trend.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Jul 5th, 2008 at 05:25:40 PM EST
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The police doesn't need to care about people slipping in the bathroom or being struck by lightning, and there have been vigorous campaigns against domestic violence. There have also been information campaigns to get teenagers to stay away from guns and knives but it doesn't seem to be working, especially for the knives.

The Metropolitan Police is only for London, not for the whole country.

The murder rate for the 12 months to May'08 was 168, and in January-June 08 there were 20 stabbings of teenagers, by teenagers.

There is also a growing problem with gang violence involving teenagers.

You can choose to not care and make jokes about lighting bolts. I suppose 168 murder cases in all of london are not enough to drive policy either - let's abolish the Metropolitan Police.


When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 at 02:57:59 AM EST
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I'm not saying nothing should be done, just asking if this really is the most pressing issue that the country - or even the police - faces (given its prominent treatment in the media and the rush to "do something" about it.

Don't put words in my mouth, please.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 6th, 2008 at 07:23:24 AM EST
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Well, from a London-wide police perspective, I would say it is a very serious issue.
The term "postcode wars" refers to a modern day phenomenon that make some estates no-go areas for Islington youths. For feuding gang members, stepping over the "front line" between N1 and E8 can mean death. Numerous killings, including the 2005 murder of Essayas Kassahun in Old Street, have been linked to the phenomenon.

Ms Woolcock said: "This is not something hyped up by the media. It is very real and happening every day. They have their own language and there are signs for each postcode area. It is very dangerous for young men to be caught in the wrong place."

She will be "in conversation" with Nicola Abel-Hirsch of the British Psychoanalytical Society tonight.

It's not only an Islington phenomenon, I live near the intersection of E10, E11 and E15 and the "postcode wars" are apparently an important part of the teenage experience here. I have heard that organised crime is partly behind youth gangs. Using the postcode to build identification and division in this way is particularly insidious.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 8th, 2008 at 07:55:25 AM EST
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