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What's needed is to ban all patents on life. It's also a form of regulatory relief.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 5th, 2008 at 05:35:17 PM EST
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What's needed is to ban all patents on life.

What we need is to revise all patent law in view of the societal cost/benefit of each patent to society.  In Stuart England patents were awarded to royal cronies on such things as the sale of salt.  This was done primarily to provide the Crown with revenue and was an example of royal parasitism.

In the USA patents are justified as encouraging innovation, but the whole manner in which patents are handled has become more a bulwark of the privileges of the powerful than a benefit to society. It does provides lots of employment for attorneys. Corporations will just cross-license each other to get around problems.  But the system discourages the emergence of new players in existing fields.  Small players will often publish their inventions, rather than patent them, so that they can retain the rights to their own inventions as part of the "public domain" rather than having to pay to have the invention patented and then having to pay attorneys to sue infringers--or worse, having them patented by a wealthier rival.

With regard to patented lifeforms, we may be presented with the spectacle of having aspects of our own DNA patented by others.  Some company might "patent your ass" and then "sue your ass" for infringing on their patent!  Then you could have some patent attorney arguing in court that your existence violates their patent rights.  And you probably think I am only joking.

This is an area where a useful alliance might be made with traditional faith based groups.  If "life is sacred" how can it be patented for the exclusive economic benefit of a specific human entity?  Properly framed, "patenting the staff of life" could be problematic for many of the genuinely religious.

But it is complex.  What if prohibiting patents on lifeforms prevented development of recombinant versions  of microbes that never would or could be found in nature, but which could process cellulose into propane, ethane, pentane octane or long chain hydrocarbons?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 12:16:15 AM EST
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hypothetical.  The harm is real and already occurring.  

The original idea of patents was that by rewarding inventors, society would get worthwhile benefits.  The justification was never cash-cows for big corporations.  

When society quits benefiting patents should go.  

Patents on life forms is already a negative.  

The Fates are kind.

by Gaianne on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 03:27:54 AM EST
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hypothetical.  The harm is real and already occurring.

Agreed. And the incentives for that harm are real and occurring in the form of existing patent law and practice.

The original idea of patents was that by rewarding inventors, society would get worthwhile benefits.  The justification was never cash-cows for big corporations.

Agreed. I favor either greatly dialing back the scope of patents or abolishing them.  If they are retained the process needs reform so that it does not so heavily favor socio-economic stasis.    

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 12:46:37 PM EST
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Read an interesting study of the distribution of research, the cost, and the outcomes a while back. Somewhere in the wreckage of beer-sodden neurons is the link.
Over the last century, the preponderance of world-changing research and development breakthroughs--the world-altering ideas--have come from wholly or partially  government sponsored projects, in universities, or, secondarily, from research conducted directly by government itself.
The shift to private development divorced from the university environment or government lab is therefore another face of "privatization"--and one that I suspect has worked about as well as most other privatization. Another device to relocate cash.  

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 02:12:04 PM EST
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... would be a big step forward. "A successful patent claim on a new crop is accepted as proof that the new crop is not substantially equivalent to existing crops".


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 11:16:19 AM EST
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Yep. But that would really put the kibosh on it, wouldn't it? ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 12:08:13 PM EST
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... and nail. But an administration who wanted to have a high profile fight on this issue might pick it for that very same reason ... because from the bully pulpit it would sound like a quite reasonable proposition ... "if its a big enough invention to merit a patent, it can't be that close to what's already out there."

Ah, well, another "might have been" moment ... unless the next head of the FDA wants to pick the fight on his own.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jun 6th, 2008 at 12:13:37 PM EST
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