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I assume your tutorial format was aimed at the Dkos audience, it seems to have worked well. The comments show that there is a segment who would like to see discussions of issues beside electoral personalities.

Unfortunately the mechanics of the site don't allow for sub audiences to form within the overall structure. This is Markos' fault, I don't know if he keeps his FIFO structure out of design or laziness. HuffingtonPost and the TPM empire have both figured out ways to be more magazine like. Both of them are run by experienced media people and it shows. Markos has gotten thrown into the deep end without adequate experience or a development team.

As for your main point, I'm afraid that things are going to get worse. There are two fundamental problems. The first is that the world leaders don't know how to deal with global resource shortages. They have no prior experience and lack the imagination to come up with new economic models. We have had a couple of discussion on this over the past few days, and I've seen more thoughtful comments then I've seen from anyone in a position of authority in either the US or the EU.

The second problem is that the infrastructure doesn't easily adapt to the scope of change needed. Let's take a trivial example - bottled water. If tomorrow there was some sort of international directive issued that prohibited the use of bottle water in any part of the world where potable water was available the trade would collapse. What would be the most visible result - thousands of people thrown out of work or seeing their incomes decline because they worked in the water distribution industry. The outrage over the lost jobs would be terrific.

Now try to extend this to something more central, like food distribution, or commuting to work. Any steps to change the dependency on liquid fuel will take decades to implement, assuming we have technological solutions. In my estimation the US has already decided how it will handle resource constraints. The one area that hasn't been spared is the development of the military means of international intimidation. The goal is to turn most of the world into a resource supplier. This explains the continuing rise in military spending, the existing plans for dealing with China and Russia militarily and the development of space-based weaponry.

I wonder how Europe will respond when they find that they are going to be tossed overboard along with Africa and Asia?

The American people implicitly support this agenda which is why there is never any discussion about diverting military spending to more productive uses. It worked for Rome for a few hundred years and the US has only had one century of domination. I see no good solutions.

 

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 11:37:33 AM EST
except that I'm not sure how the US can 'toss overboard' Europe in any meaningful way.

Even if you start looking into war footing situation, I fail to see how the USA could deny Europe the oil and gas flows it gets right now, as these mainly come from Russia, North Africa or the Middle East via inland routes that the US will be hard pressed to control in a situation of hot conflict against Europe and Russian and the locals...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 12:13:40 PM EST
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Assume that the fuel suppliers to Europe decide not to keep supplying it. Perhaps they decide they need it for internal development, or they get a better offer from China, or the US intimidates them into keeping it in the ground until the US uses up its traditional sources of supply.

What recourse does Europe have? Is it going to be able to apply a credible military threat to the reluctant suppliers? The US not only has the means to do this, but now has an international reputation for an unhinged foreign policy which makes such threats seem possible.

I know all this is far fetched, but remember starving people don't behave rationally.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 12:22:59 PM EST
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Europe's suppliers are Russia and North Africa and, to a lesser extent, the Middle East. Europe is absolutely willing to pay full market price for oil&gas (more than anyone else and, thanks to taxes and to a balanced trade situation, more than the US), so the only way to prevent that is for the US to deny it by force. Somehow, I don't see US ships in the Meditaranean or the Baltic sea - nor US troops in the Middle East if the Europeans really don't want them there.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 03:22:12 PM EST
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Wait a second, are we contemplating a war between the US and the EU, here?

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 03:24:07 PM EST
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Yes.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 03:36:32 PM EST
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All I'm saying is that the US cannot prevail in such a war, thus EU imports of oil from their current sources are safe from the US.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 03:37:17 PM EST
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The US could get into the Mediterranean through Suez even if the EU tried to block the Straits of Gibraltar. For that matter, they could use Morocco as a proxy to keep Spain busy and keep Gibraltar open.

They could also put a fleet in the Mediterranean before the start of "hostilities" and use Israel as a base.

It would be interesting to see which side Turkey and Britain would take if NATO were to fall apart into two opposing factions. Which brings Malta and Cyprus (both former UK protectorates) into the picture as well.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 05:51:18 PM EST
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Mining Suez, Gibraltar, and the Baltic inlets is a piece of cake and the US Navy has practically no mine clearing ability. At least they didn't have it a few years ago. I don't think you want to take very big chances running the gauntlet in mined waters with carriers crewed by 5000 sailors and airmen.

And quite frankly, we're allies, remember?

Eventually the Americans will do the right thing, after they have exhausted all other options. I hope.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 11:03:07 PM EST
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One of their options is to nuke a small ex-NATO nation to prove they mean bizniz.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 03:03:46 AM EST
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I guess the budgets of CEA and FdF should be inversely linked to the deterioration of transatlantic realtions...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 03:26:26 AM EST
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The EU could always lob a few nukes back.

The US military robot empire is o-v-e-r. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that the US doesn't do effectiveness, and maintaining the biggest military in history is about to become unaffordably expensive. So there will be no rods from god - space war is just too damn expensive.

The US mainland is also wide open to an EMP attack and cyber war, either of which would cripple the country almost instantly. While Bush has been having wet dreams about himself as Commander in Chieferator, the real threats have been proliferating elsewhere.

I can't see a hot war between the EU and US developing for at least another couple of decades, and the US is unlikely to be recognisable by then.

I'd be more concerned about relying so heavily on Russian gas - it's a single choke-point, and even if Russian intentions remain honorably mercenary, it's not wise to leave such an obvious vulnerability so very exposed.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:09:24 AM EST
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Yes, and then the US would lob a few others.

JakeS and I were considering sailing to South America: nuclear fallout takes months to cross the equator by which point the most toxic part of it has decayed...

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:13:03 AM EST
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I've heard the Falklands Islands are - if not pleasant, then certainly inhabitable.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:48:41 AM EST
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If they're worth a war, they'd better be.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:56:18 AM EST
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They've found oil offshore, so count on the place not staying terribly peaceful.

But I guess the Brits are looking forward to trying out their brand new HMS Queen Elizabeth and HMS Prince of Wales when they are completed in 6 and 8 years.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 08:53:28 AM EST
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I can't see a hot war between the EU and US developing for at least another couple of decades, and the US is unlikely to be recognisable by then.

You make it sound as if that is likely to be a good thing.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 8th, 2008 at 07:14:23 AM EST
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The US military robot empire is o-v-e-r. Iraq and Afghanistan proved that the US doesn't do effectiveness, and maintaining the biggest military in history is about to become unaffordably expensive. So there will be no rods from god - space war is just too damn expensive.

Yes, and unnecessary, and too vulnerable.

I think there is a perceived (but false) time window during which the Cheneys and Feiths think tactical nukes can be used, and that they could change the equation in a way that could be used to rehabilitate their "place in history"--and toast some evil dooers.
Imagine a smoking crater somewhere in Iran with the remains of a few thousand centrifuges floating around in the cloud.

How might the strategic planning of the world's leaders- Europe at the head of the list- change?

Blair kissed the ring to share the loot. Oops. and today? The more thing change--

Sarko the same, I think. But he's a fool who runs on greed and elitism, so it's not so surprising there.

Berlusconi? Never saw a crook he wouldn't embrace.

Granted that to a rational mind, the nuke seems almost a weapon of self-immolation. But such a last-gasp gamble is not so unlikely for an administration that has sneered at "the reality based" thinkers for years- who believe the perception of strength and real strength are not usefully different, and who are themselves going up in smoke, and need a huge diversion.

I can't see a hot war between the EU and US developing for at least another couple of decades, and the US is unlikely to be recognisable by then.

War is unnecessary in the face of capitulation.
And isn't that the point? A nation incredibly altered--but in what way? It's already incredibly altered, and in a savage, self-destructive direction.
I've said it before- they'd kiss his ass in times square if the US were pumping enough oil from Iraq to keep their SUVs alive.
If it's a choice between the US pocketbook and the toy-based "standard of living", or the nuke or Europe-  don't count on the citizens to be a voice of restraint. The time window is pretty much the next few months, I think, for the resurrection of the nuke.
The golden arches (and all that they symbolize) are-or were- a hell of a weapon, but the soul of sweetness compared to the tools that remain to the  empire.

Sorry- this is getting to be a rant.
I'll shut up now.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 09:48:35 AM EST
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Yes. They have been in a state of concealed conflict from the first day. Before. The day the first president's daily briefing contained a convincing passage postulating the EU as a potentially successful competitor, someone tumbled to the fact that the old BS was failing- and the military option went back on the table. What Jerome and rdf discuss is just --it's growing more obvious.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 08:45:36 AM EST
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There was a story in the 1990's about some CIA document about how the EU needed to be undermined as a competitor. I put it down to knee-jerk anti-americanism on the part of the Spanish Press, silly me. I don't think I'd be able to dig it up if I tried now.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 08:50:12 AM EST
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Not very well concealed conflict.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 08:59:36 AM EST
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Well enough to fool the European political class.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 09:03:15 AM EST
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Not really, I suspect. They were the ones getting the threatening speeches made to them and so on.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 09:07:11 AM EST
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Yes. I think there were a lot of people who tumbled to this early- in fact, the EU exists in part as an attempt to take what was billed as the laughable pawn of European unity, and queen it. It worked. Not an accident.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 09:53:46 AM EST
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Sorry, I can't unwrap your metaphor. Does this mean the EU is a bad or a good thing.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 09:57:47 AM EST
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Good, and subversive, and accomplished in Maastricht in 1992.

Which is why by 1996 the CIA was on the case.

When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill-done. — John M. Keynes

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 10:07:01 AM EST
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Yes.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 10:14:52 AM EST
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In a lot of the Anglo world, the idea that the "Continent" could cooperate on much of anything was laughable. Fortunately they were wrong.

It's an oversimplification that the CIA does things- or is "on the case", so to speak. More like a catfight than a company, then. Once, that was it's great asset- differing but well-informed perspectives.
Victor Marchetti wrote a book ("The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence") that illustrates the bitter conflict between the directorate of operations, (the  "Covert cowboys"), and the analysts. During the period of 1992 till 1998 or so, the jury was very much out as to whether to treat the idea of European cooperation (no one even spoke about unity, I am told,) as a threat, a  temporary aberration or as a joke.
Of course, the threat guys won, -more or less- but they were not the analysts, but ops.
Things to do! Stuff to break!

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 11:37:45 AM EST
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"In my estimation the US has already decided how it will handle resource constraints. The one area that hasn't been spared is the development of the military means of international intimidation. The goal is to turn most of the world into a resource supplier. This explains the continuing rise in military spending, the existing plans for dealing with China and Russia militarily and the development of space-based weaponry."

Yes.
I've been dodging brickbats (and thinly concealed sniggers) around here for maintaining the same thing for about two years.

I claim no prescience or predictive acumen--just the ability to "Know a hawk from a hacksaw".

Rub, rub. (Rubbing it in).

Iraq was a testbed for phase two of "resource theft as a national strategy", phase one being using the economic weapons of neoliberal BS, market theology and stuff addiction. Problem is--they became so effective at parasiting the real economy--they nigh unto kilt it. As a weapon, neoliberal economic orthodoxy is damaged goods.
Thanks to brave and bright people like Jerome, more and more people will see this.
Time to loose the dogs of war.

But the Iraq test case is, so far, an incredible failure as a tool of empire. Conventional weapons and military tactics have failed for many reasons, but firstly because they are inappropriate weapons for urban warfare, and because their cost far exceeds their value as tools of resource capture. So far.

--Will this equation change with, for example, oil at Euro100?

I don't think so. I don't think conventional weapons and tactics will ever again be able to effectively supply the Empire. At least for this purpose, their day is over, rdf. This is why:

--An entire spectrum of improvised and very deadly weapons have emerged in the last five years. Our attack
-our Iraqi test case- has fueled a technological explosion in guerrilla tools and tactics, not the least has been the huge proliferation of the most intelligent and deadly bomb in existence- the suicide bomber.
There is no reason to expect this technological development to stop. A handful of box knives in fanatically brave hands have brought the empire to it's knees, and caused it to turn on itself.

--A quarter of US troops manage their day medicated.

--A fifth of them are psychologically broken. 20%-- that the DOD's tame scientists will admit to. What's the real number? Who in their right mind will enlist for--that? And word's getting out.

--Real US military budget, 95% of it for conventional weapons and empire maintenance is already more than all the rest of the world's military expenditures combined.
Balance of payments, deficit issues, the unavoidable costs to patch together neglected and collapsing infrastructure, and a crash in tax revenues will, like the concatenation of the elements Jerome enumerates, brutally limit new expenditures for mass arms buys.  

What will happen-- the only option left to the empire-, is the nuclear one.
What's the biggest bang for the dollar?
What do we already own in huge numbers?

Project ahead for the web of processes that already roll on over the landscape--policy, political and fiscal realities- and what does the future hold?
Before the fog of uncertainty sets in, I see deterioration in about every area, a closing off of alternatives for the empireists. Leaving that one.

From the point of view of the empireists, we need an event that will put the nuke back on the table as a tactical weapon, as well as a strategic one.
I rejoiced at the NIE that stalled the drive to blast Iran.
But the events of yesterday suggest a crisis point is coming, and soon.
Monday will be interesting.

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 03:08:42 PM EST
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Agreed.  I think it would be a mistake to underestimate the atavism of Bush & Co.  They seem to feed off of the chaos they create.  Talk about bombing Iran should not be taken lightly.  They could do it just to wrong foot an incoming Democratic Administration.  I am not convinced they will go quietly just because they loose an election, either.  They will certainly see policy proposals such as JaP's above as threats to their very existence.  Getting them safely put away could turn out to be like the cops trying to subdue a heavily armed and armored Rambo on angel dust.

I pray that I am just a paranoid old geezer...

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jun 7th, 2008 at 05:20:04 PM EST
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From one geezer to another--
I usually leave the praying to my wife, who is a catholic, and does that sort of thing.
But in this case- with the innocent lives at stake-- perhaps a wise man covers all bases, no matter how distasteful.
"Dear Lord (choke)----"

Capitalism searches out the darkest corners of human potential, and mainlines them.
by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Jun 9th, 2008 at 12:50:59 AM EST
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